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 Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:40 pm
can anyone help me? I was recently thinking about beauty and the beast and the storyline doesn't make sense. Here are my questions?
1. The beast was supposedly turned into a beast 10 years before meeting belle, and the rose was to wilt on his 21st birthday, there for he had to have been 11 when he was turned into a beast.
2.If he was 11, where were his parent?
3. why did all of france forget about him?
4. if he was 11 with no parents, than of course he would be bitter and heartless, and it was cruel of the enchantress to change him into a beast, instead of finding him a loving home.
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:30 am
PumpkinQueen101 can anyone help me? I was recently thinking about beauty and the beast and the storyline doesn't make sense. Here are my questions? 1. The beast was supposedly turned into a beast 10 years before meeting belle, and the rose was to wilt on his 21st birthday, there for he had to have been 11 when he was turned into a beast. 2.If he was 11, where were his parent? 3. why did all of france forget about him? 4. if he was 11 with no parents, than of course he would be bitter and heartless, and it was cruel of the enchantress to change him into a beast, instead of finding him a loving home. 
1. I think he was 11 - it's cruel to punish a child in that manner instead of teaching him, I agree
2. His parents are probably dead, since he was king when he was turned.
2. Yeah... that's a big plot hole XD
3. HARRY POTTER WAS A NICE ORPHANED 11-year-old! I think he was spoiled and heartless, because he was a boy and a king - not from being parentless.
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:38 am
Wow... eleven? I gotta agree, that's harsh. Then again, European monarchs were usually out drabbing by that age. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:07 pm
Lhia_Dunwaith Wow... eleven? I gotta agree, that's harsh. Then again, European monarchs were usually out drabbing by that age. sweatdrop Drabbing?
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:13 pm
Huh, I never thought about the story like that. Yeah, back in the good old days, children were punished as cruely as adults so it does make sense that a kid was turned into a monster for being mean 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:10 am
what version says that?
it's like a folk story, we could just change parts we don't like.
i enjoy Robin McKinley's original retelling, Beauty. it has none of those quibblesome points.
a lot of it is about her relationship with her father, and not so much about the Beast.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:01 am
Sita Carew Lhia_Dunwaith Wow... eleven? I gotta agree, that's harsh. Then again, European monarchs were usually out drabbing by that age. sweatdrop Drabbing? Seeing prostitutes.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:45 pm
Lhia_Dunwaith Sita Carew Lhia_Dunwaith Wow... eleven? I gotta agree, that's harsh. Then again, European monarchs were usually out drabbing by that age. sweatdrop Drabbing? Seeing prostitutes. ...oh sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:45 pm
This is a translation on the traditional La belle et la bete, which showed up around the 1700's. It's a traditional French fairy tale, as are Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. As such, it's kinda subject to weird variations through time and telling, so it ends up being much different. We're also talking about a time in history where the average lifespan was not so great, so it's possible that 11 was more like 15 or 16.
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/beauty.html
As you can see, the original tale doesn't bother itself with ages etc, as it's slightly irrelevant to the basic moral of the story.
The "Disneyfied" versions of the faerie tales usually make the tales more PC and G rated, at least. More frequently, they change everything save for the very basic plot. And we wonder why kids today have no respect. wink
I do wonder at the absolute lack of mothers in most Disney tales, though. Can you name one with a present mother?
Bambi: We all know how that ends...
Sleeping Beauty: Comatose
Little Mermaid: MIA
Snow White: Dead
Cinderella: Dead
Lion King: Just the beginning
Aladdin: MIA for both
...
Enchanted: MIA
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead
I think the most present mother is that Pegasus in Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony for Fantasia!
...Sorry, that was a bit of a hijack.
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:32 pm
Aeliara Lion King: Just the beginning WARNING: This comment has little to do with the actual thread. The Lion King was based (very, very loosely) off of Shakespeare's Hamlet. That would make Simba's mom Queen Gertrude. For those who don't know Shakespeare... in Hamlet, "Simba's mom" marries "Scar" about two months after "Mufasa"'s death. And she ends up unknowingly poisoning herself.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:54 pm
Aeliara This is a translation on the traditional La belle et la bete, which showed up around the 1700's. It's a traditional French fairy tale, as are Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. As such, it's kinda subject to weird variations through time and telling, so it ends up being much different. We're also talking about a time in history where the average lifespan was not so great, so it's possible that 11 was more like 15 or 16. http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/beauty.html As you can see, the original tale doesn't bother itself with ages etc, as it's slightly irrelevant to the basic moral of the story. The "Disneyfied" versions of the faerie tales usually make the tales more PC and G rated, at least. More frequently, they change everything save for the very basic plot. And we wonder why kids today have no respect. wink I do wonder at the absolute lack of mothers in most Disney tales, though. Can you name one with a present mother? Bambi: We all know how that ends... Sleeping Beauty: Comatose Little Mermaid: MIA Snow White: Dead Cinderella: Dead Lion King: Just the beginning Aladdin: MIA for both ... Enchanted: MIA Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead I think the most present mother is that Pegasus in Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony for Fantasia! ...Sorry, that was a bit of a hijack. that is very interesting! and you often find foundlings or orphans as the central character too. my guess is that the kids see it is about them and not somebody else, that they, if they play this role, have to solve their own problems and not cry for help. in some sense, that seems to be what Spirited Away is all about too, come to consider it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:05 pm
Lhia_Dunwaith Aeliara Lion King: Just the beginning WARNING: This comment has little to do with the actual thread. The Lion King was based (very, very loosely) off of Shakespeare's Hamlet. That would make Simba's mom Queen Gertrude. For those who don't know Shakespeare... in Hamlet, "Simba's mom" marries "Scar" about two months after "Mufasa"'s death. And she ends up unknowingly poisoning herself.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:38 pm
 How does it feel to be a puppet on my string?
Perhaps Disney kills off moms because they knows it's a deeply upsetting thing for kids? And that's what makes a good movie - it inspires large feelings.
Just a thought.
 I am hollow... and I will live forever
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:48 pm
Catherine of Aragon Lhia_Dunwaith Aeliara Lion King: Just the beginning WARNING: This comment has little to do with the actual thread. The Lion King was based (very, very loosely) off of Shakespeare's Hamlet. That would make Simba's mom Queen Gertrude. For those who don't know Shakespeare... in Hamlet, "Simba's mom" marries "Scar" about two months after "Mufasa"'s death. And she ends up unknowingly poisoning herself. Beats the essay I'm writing now on how Hamlet relates to the Katy Perry song "Hot N Cold." No joke.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:17 pm
Lhia_Dunwaith Aeliara Lion King: Just the beginning WARNING: This comment has little to do with the actual thread. The Lion King was based (very, very loosely) off of Shakespeare's Hamlet. That would make Simba's mom Queen Gertrude. For those who don't know Shakespeare... in Hamlet, "Simba's mom" marries "Scar" about two months after "Mufasa"'s death. And she ends up unknowingly poisoning herself. Seriously??? Oh my gosh, that is made of awesome. Now I have to go watch it and be all Hamlet-y!
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