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Fourscarf

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:04 pm


I don't know where that came from, but this evening, I got the weirdest idea about that statement from the 1996 movie.

If I recall correctly, Eight was still having post-regeneration trauma. He might have, during or before that moment, had some precognition about the events of Journey's End in which a clone of him is created when Donna touches the severed hand in the jar, making her his "mother" in a way. Again, it's outlandishly crazy, but time isn't linear and it's probably very easy to mistake a possible future for a past event if you think like a Time Lord who's just regenerated due to being shot and then having surgeons messing about with your innards and then trying to defibrillate you because they think you're dying because of heart problems when really you have a bicardiovascular system, and then not being in a TARDIS, but a mortuary when it happened.

Because we all should know by now that the Doctor can't really be half-human or he would have the same sort of characteristics as the clone Doctor who stays in the parallel world with Rose.

After all, he never said when he was half-human, or how. Let the speculation begin.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:17 pm


My only input is that after he said that, the Master ended up looking at a holographic-type image of the Doctor's eyes and said, from that, that the Doctor was half human. He was rather surprised (or something O_o) by it. Thus, the weirdness was confirmed by another character.

It's a whole weird thing...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:26 pm


Even though I know that the movie-makers meant it literally, I always like to think that the Doctor was joking and that the Master was in just as confused state as the Doctor was and was basically talking rubbish too.

That aside... if he was half-human I hope he meant just for that regeneration, perhaps because of all that you said about the heart attack and the morgue and so on. He always hates being away from his TARDIS when regenerating and, since he was so far away from his symbiotic TARDIS, perhaps in desperation his genes sought out a nearby replacement model to base the next regeneration on...

It would be nice to think that it was all a reference to his future clone instead of himself, since that would stop me slapping myself in the forehead in dismay every time I watch the movie and hear him say that line. I HATE the idea he could have had a human mother. I just want him to be a wacky Timelord, not an extra super special genetically deluxe Timelord.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:36 pm


We americans seem to just love turning things into soap operas by introducing controversial statements in movies about something already established.

Fourscarf


Thowell3

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:38 am


He's not half Human. It would be partly impossible for a Time lord to tell if he still had to hearts. The only reason the 10.5 noticed was because he had one heart. And the master was in a Failing human body so I take it as he was seeing things. Even the BBC has never come out and said "He's half human" So unless the BBC says it I don't believe that it is important nor in the actual story. It was just a joke.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:56 am


Yes, and there's also that thing that Sylvester McCoy's Doctor once said about being far more than just another Time Lord. Humans are generally looked upon as fairly inferior and even primitive species in comparison with Time Lords, so I really doubt that he can be half-human.

....true, a Time Lord using a human's body might have problems seeing through human eyes.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:33 pm


Even in the movie, they never tested out the Doctor's "human eyes" by sticking them in the Eye Of Harmony light so we'll never know if the Master was right...
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:44 pm


Roobarb
Even in the movie, they never tested out the Doctor's "human eyes" by sticking them in the Eye Of Harmony light so we'll never know if the Master was right...


What does the eye of harmony light test thing do? I suddenly don't want to see it in case it blinds human eyes.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:50 pm


I always just figured that was a moment of general insanity for everyone involved. razz
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:31 pm


Eruravenne
I always just figured that was a moment of general insanity for everyone involved. razz

It was a moment of complete stupidity for the writers. blaugh

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pikalex88

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:47 pm


After watching the movie I sat down and thought of my own explanation to make the nasty discontinuity go away.

Before dying, 7 told the people operating on him that the anesthetic would inhibit his regeneration (or something like that), so my theory is that his body couldn't regenerate fully. Meanwhile, he has a catheter with human DNA on it in one of his hearts, so my explanation is that he had to use that DNA to complete his regeneration, making him half-human. He says from his mother's side because it was Grace's DNA.

This has no basis in fact, and I make so many assumptions it's silly, but it makes me feel better. biggrin
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:36 am


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I always just figured that was a moment of general insanity for everyone involved. razz

It was a moment of complete stupidity for the writers. blaugh
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FatesMyBitch

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:34 am


...Where can I find the movie? I have been dying to watch it and my local library doesn't carry it.

This is what a know about children Time Lords. They are birthed in synthetic wombs "weaved" to an older age by both the parents providing their genetic codes. At the age of 8 they are taken to the Academy where they sat until they graduate and go on to live their lives in some productive way. Apparently the Doctor and the Master were not ... popular and often bullied and ridiculed. At one point the Doctor killed someone in order to protect the Master. There are a few explanation as to why this would happen. They were why smarter than all the other geniuses in the school or they had some sort of shady conception (an affair or a hybrid with an"inferior species").

I think its the genius part because I doubt, from what I know about the Time Lords, that they wouldn't risk letting a half Time Lord in on their secrets.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:23 pm


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I always just figured that was a moment of general insanity for everyone involved. razz

It was a moment of complete stupidity for the writers. blaugh
razz


That, too. lol

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Fourscarf

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:51 pm


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...Where can I find the movie? I have been dying to watch it and my local library doesn't carry it.

This is what a know about children Time Lords. They are birthed in synthetic wombs "weaved" to an older age by both the parents providing their genetic codes. At the age of 8 they are taken to the Academy where they sat until they graduate and go on to live their lives in some productive way. Apparently the Doctor and the Master were not ... popular and often bullied and ridiculed. At one point the Doctor killed someone in order to protect the Master. There are a few explanation as to why this would happen. They were why smarter than all the other geniuses in the school or they had some sort of shady conception (an affair or a hybrid with an"inferior species").

I think its the genius part because I doubt, from what I know about the Time Lords, that they wouldn't risk letting a half Time Lord in on their secrets.


Oh, I haven't seen it either, just a few clips on youtube and I know the basic plot from reading it on tardis.wikia.com

And still there is no dissenting opinion. One time I was on a doctor who fanfic site and a user who'd wrote a story about Eight playing monopoly, but mostly a lot of stories that were either slash, sex, implied sex, or all of the above. That particular person, I gather from their stories, thinks that the Doctor IS half human and that the loom thing is bollocks.
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