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Astri
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:00 am


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Military Has Discharged 26 Gay Linguists

Fri Jan 14, 9:13 AM ET U.S. National - AP


By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - The number of Arabic linguists discharged from the military for violating its "don't ask, don't tell" policy is higher than previously reported, according to records obtained by a research group.


The group contends the records show that the military — at a time when it and U.S. intelligence agencies don't have enough Arabic speakers — is putting its anti-gay stance ahead of national security.


Between 1998 and 2004, the military discharged 20 Arabic and six Farsi speakers, according to Department of Defense (news - web sites) data obtained by the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military under a Freedom of Information Act request.


The military previously confirmed that seven translators who specialized in Arabic had been discharged between 1998 and 2003 because they were gay. The military did not break down the discharges by year, but said some, but not all, of the additional 13 discharges of Arabic speakers occurred in 2004.


Aaron Belkin, the center's director, said he wants the public to see the real costs of "don't ask, don't tell."


"We had a language problem after 9/11 and we still have a language problem," Belkin said Wednesday.


The military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy allows gays and lesbians to serve in the military as long as they keep their sexual orientation private and do not engage in homosexual acts.


"The military is placing homophobia well ahead of national security," said Steve Ralls, spokesman for the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a nonprofit group that advocates for the rights of gay military members. "It's rather appalling that in the weeks leading up to 9/11 messages were coming in, waiting to be translated ... and at the same time they were firing people who could've done that job."


But others, like Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness, a conservative advocacy group that opposes gays serving in the military, said the discharged linguists never should have been accepted at the elite Defense Language Institute in Monterey in the first place.


"Resources unfortunately were used to train young people who were not eligible to be in the military," she said.


In the fiscal year ended Sept. 30, 543 Arabic linguists and 166 Farsi linguists graduated from their 63-week courses, according to a DLI spokesman. That was up from 377 and 139, respectively, in the previous year.


Experts have identified the shortage of Arabic linguists as contributing to the government's failure to thwart the Sept. 11 attacks. The independent Sept. 11 commission made similar conclusions.


Ian Finkenbinder, an Army Arabic linguist who graduated from the Defense Language Institute in 2002, was discharged from the military last month after announcing to his superiors that he's gay. Finkenbinder, who said his close friends in the Army already knew he was gay, served eight months in Iraq (news - web sites) and was about to return for a second tour when he made the revelation official.


"I looked at myself and said, `Are you willing to go to war with an institution that won't recognize that you have the right to live as you want to,'" said Finkenbinder, 22, who now lives in Baltimore. "It just got to be tiresome to deal with that — to constantly have such a significant part of your life under scrutiny."


The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network last month sued the government on behalf of 12 other gay former military members seeking reinstatement. They argue that "don't ask, don't tell" violates their constitutional rights.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:41 am


This is sad... Something really has to be done in our country.
At least if Bush decides to start a draft we will all be excused razz

blue_not_red


Astri
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:36 am


This makes me so ******** angry.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:29 am


Im angry about it too. Things will change though, minorities have a history of recieving thier equal rights in this country. We will evantually have marriage rights as well, just 50 years ago interracial marriages weren't allowed, opposition then was far greater than it is today against gay marriage. Not to mention there is no logical or legal reason to be against it.

blue_not_red


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:30 am


The original story was actually from earlier last year, when they announced the discharges of the original seven gay arabic linguists. The part that really pisses me off is that they would lie about it to the public. In addition to that, you would think that they would think it over first. If they already need skilled people, and they're discharging them left and right it isn't exactly helping their cause. You have got to commend them for their stupidity.

In line with American military homophobia, there's a story about the Pentagon trying to make a "gay" bomb.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:12 am


That's just it, Keith. Like, I'm angry on so many different levels. Even if they weren't discharging people for being gay, even if that weren't an issue that were important to me, we are short Arabic linguists! The fact that they are discharging perfectly qualified people for such an irrelevant reason...

Astri
Crew


Teffy

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:08 am


*mutters something about those damn conservatives ruining this country*
Did you know a kid got suspended for wearing pro-gay shirts?

My teachers have threatened me, but they can't do anything and they know it.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:05 am


Keithing
The original story was actually from earlier last year, when they announced the discharges of the original seven gay arabic linguists. The part that really pisses me off is that they would lie about it to the public. In addition to that, you would think that they would think it over first. If they already need skilled people, and they're discharging them left and right it isn't exactly helping their cause. You have got to commend them for their stupidity.

In line with American military homophobia, there's a story about the Pentagon trying to make a "gay" bomb.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHAA!!!!!!!!! That's so pathetic!

Linbrood


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:30 pm


Teffy
*mutters something about those damn conservatives ruining this country*
Did you know a kid got suspended for wearing pro-gay shirts?
In the most recent one he dropped his suit against the school. Plus there were claims that he sexually harassed a classmate or two. I think the pressure just got to him.

Jeff, the most pathetic thing is that they would think gay attraction would break morale. Sure, even a brief change in sexual orientation (if it were possible; they'd have to be some pungent phermones) would be more than enough to unsettle someone, but using internalized homophobia as a weapon is just apalling.

I think this is the part where we make "military intelligence" officially an oxymoron.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:50 pm


See, i'm lucky either way! I'm gay and i'm the only son in my entire family. Plus i don't believe in their reasons for war so it works out anyways.

Almarick


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:19 pm


blue_not_red
This is sad... Something really has to be done in our country.
At least if Bush decides to start a draft we will all be excused razz
Not all of us, thought it doesn't really affect me if Bush declares a draft. Unless, indirectly, it causes Paul Martin to follow suit (GLBT aren't barred from the military). With the way the PM has been changing opinions, I might as well start practicing my "duck and cover" air raid exercises.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:07 pm


Teffy
*mutters something about those damn conservatives ruining this country*
Did you know a kid got suspended for wearing pro-gay shirts?

My teachers have threatened me, but they can't do anything and they know it.

I got my "Homosexuals are Gay" t-shirt cleared just last week at my school by my dean of students and principal. My PE teacher told me to turn it inside out so I wouldn't get in trouble with him. But instead, I left it right-side-out, so I get called in to the office to the Dean of Students.

We have a long conversation, mostly me joking around about it, and he gave me reasons why it would offend others. I coountered and he totally agreed, but he just didn't want others to get offended by it.

Like, some people wouldn't know I'm gay, and they'd think I was saying gay as in stupid and whatnot.

Well, eventuaally, he wanted to get it cleared with the principal(the a**l b***h at our school), and surprisingly, she was fine with it.

Asthmaboy


Kaporie

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:14 am


LETS ALL MOVE TO CANANDA! xd see im to smart fer my own good biggrin
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:58 am


For all of our own goods, I'd wager. gonk

JoVo


Kaporie

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:10 pm


JoVo
For all of our own goods, I'd wager. gonk


aw jovo! ur avi is hella cute dude. ^_^
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