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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:23 pm
So, I've been debating on posting this topic for a while. So here it is.
Marijuana: All things marijuana.
Examples:
Your feelings on it. Religious views on it. Slang. Do you smoke? Did you? Marijuana Laws. N.O.R.M.A.L. (if you know what it is) Celebrities and Marijuana. Any questions you have about it.
And.. anything else. Just remember, no matter how strongly you feel that it's okay to smoke or not okay to smoke, don't insult anyone in here.. we all have different opinions, different beliefs. I don't ban debate, in fact I encourage it. "Why do you think that?" "Where are your examples?" These are things I like to hear. Be open-minded but not easily swayed or angered.
And p.s. Marijuana is illegal, and does have negative affects. DON'T DO DRUGS KIDS!
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:40 pm
Love the disclaimer at the bottom of your post, Spenelli! lol
I've never smoked anything, and really don't have any desire to. When people come into the library after smoking marijuana, I think it smells terrible and gives me a headache. My gut reaction is that marijuana should be legalized and taxed, but I haven't done enough research to really argue one way or the other.
I think drug use is a waste of money and bad for the body. I will pass. Plus, I believe in following laws, so it's not a possibility for me.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:01 pm
After being in a s***hole like the navy for 3 and a half years, I'd really like to try it. Saying that, I've never touched ANY type of drugs. I can't touch it anyways cause of the navy's zero tolerance policy. It just turned out that way. I don't like the smell of the smoke, but I'm used to it (older brother smoked it) so it doesn't really bother me all that much.
for names, I have weed, joint, sticky-icky-icky (my favorite), mary-jane, reefer, hashish, purple haze, others... (mind block)
I don't mind people smoking it, but don't drive or be reckless at the same time; it scared the ever-living f*** outta me. I think it should be allowed and be legal, but the mind set will be the same, but shifted in a way. Right now, It's bad that anyone is smoking illegally. If made legal, the issue will shift to minors trying to smoke the stuff and people who get DWI's from being high from weed. We'll still have problems from it; it just won't be like before.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:05 pm
So.. I'll start this off with my first ever experience with Marijuana.
The first time I ever smoked I was a freshman in high school. I always had good grades. I was always reading a book. But I had no friends. None.
I finally made friends with some people on my street, and one night Tacy invited me over. They started smoking. I wasn't bothered by Marijuana whatsoever, I just never thought it was "cool". My mom and my aunts smoked it. At that age I found my older relatives extremely uncool, so I thought pot was uncool too. My mom dressed old and uncool, listened to Whitesnake which I found so uncool, and smoked pot. So I never even knew kids my age smoked. I wasn't afraid of it, and took it and inhaled without much thought. Everyone was so stoned.. but me? Nothing. Finally they decided to go for a walk. I went to stand up, and fell back down. I did get high. I was so paranoid, I thought we were going to get shot at or arrested. Why I'm not sure. But I enjoyed it even so.
I don't know if you can blame the pot for how I became. I had never had friends in my life, and rather than focus on school or do homework, I hung out with them and smoked. Maybe it was the pot, but I can't prove that. My friends said what they thought, and I started to. I had some problems with getting in trouble as a kid, but once I got in middle school I was the perfect student- all that changed when I met my first "friends" and started smoking. My grades went from A's to F's so fast it was almost like I was trying to fail.
My first bad experience with pot never came until it was the summer after my sophomore year. I had smoked hundreds of times by then even though it had only been a year or so since I started. We all smoked and all of a sudden I started freaking out- I had a panic attack. I screamed and screamed, begging for water, and as my friends told me later they did in fact give me water but I never drank it. It was scary- I've had panic attacks completely sober.. but having them while high is almost unbearable. This happened to me many times after, but as it was, I had seizures and panic attacks while not high.. so I still can't be sure if it was the pot or wasn't.
I've done a lot of stupid things when I was high- and done even more ignorant things to get high. In my life I've gotten into cars with complete and total strangers three times just so I could smoke pot. Call it addiction, call it being young and stupid. I don't know what it was.
When I think on it, really think hard, I don't see a problem with marijuana if it is smoked in moderation or the right situation. Alcohol is the same way. I see nothing wrong with someone in pain or with severe stress smoking pot in the comforts of their home. I do believe that if it is legalized, there should be an age restriction, just like alcohol and cigarettes.
My problem with pot being illegal:
Cigarettes and Alcohol are much more dangerous to your heath than pot. Cigarettes are not mind-altering, I get that. But alcohol is. The worst thing I ever did while drunk and just because I was drunk? Pick one. I've peed in people's front lawns, had sex with someone I just met, violently puked for hours, forgot an entire night, tried to beat up a grown man twice my size, drove a car, went alone with guys on.. a few occasions and ended up.. in situations I not only didn't want to be in.. but situations I begged and tried to get out of. Why did these guys do this to me? They were drunk too. So, what are the worst things I've done while I was high that I can blame soley on the marijuana? I ate the whole half of a cheesecake. I laughed so hard it hurt. I wrote a really crappy poem once.
I understand that marijuana could potentially be dangerous. Someone baked out of their mind babysitting or driving a car.. but wouldn't babysitting or driving a car be just as dangerous if not more so while drunk?
If weed were legalized and had an age restriction, I don't really see that many problems with it. It would create jobs, stimulate the economy.. and we would spend less money on jails. Do you know how much it costs to feed and watch over prisoners? Provide them with electricity, running water, supplies? And instead of the cops out arresting some stoners who were sitting out in their front lawn blazing up they could be out solving cases and catching rapists and killers.
As for teens, you know how it is. In most circumstances people do things just because they know they aren't supposed to. Like me. When I turned 18 cigs went from cool to a habit. Though teens shouldn't be allowed to smoke it, I don't know if it would be considered as cool anymore if it were legal. Like me, again.. when I was young, I thought pot was uncool cause my mom did it. If it becomes legal and little Tommy sees his mom do it, it might not seem so cool to him anymore.
And think about this.. what percentage of the population do you suppose made alcohol at home when it was illegal? Do you think that percentage raised when it was re-legalized? Hell no. Why bother making moonshine when you can go buy a 5th for $15? Same thing. Home-growers won't have as much supply or variety to compete with mass marketing.. there won't be as much drug dealing going on. Pot dealers will have to find "real" jobs thus making the selling of marijuana to minors less common, not more so.
I honestly think marijuana would be less of a problem if it were legal yet age restricted and controlled properly.
(Can you tell I'm missing the ED a bit?)
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:30 pm
DiDiW Love the disclaimer at the bottom of your post, Spenelli! lol I've never smoked anything, and really don't have any desire to. When people come into the library after smoking marijuana, I think it smells terrible and gives me a headache. My gut reaction is that marijuana should be legalized and taxed, but I haven't done enough research to really argue one way or the other. I think drug use is a waste of money and bad for the body. I will pass. Plus, I believe in following laws, so it's not a possibility for me. Haha, yes. That disclaimer was importante! Though I don't smoke anymore, I still love the smell, always have. And yes.. I don't know about any real concrete proof that Marijuana can cause heath problems, but it does stain your teeth and nails just as cigs do. I do believe that with extended use of marijuana on a daily basis mental issues can occur. I've seen it. But.. the people were already screwed up to begin with. xp My mom for example: she smokes to deal with stress, sleep and escape from the nightmares of her past. She has had severe mental disorders since she was a child. I believe very strongly that Marijuana has affected her memory, speech and concentration, even while not high. But, the question is, is she less screwed up than she was before she started to smoke? Cause I don't think so. If not having to think about how I was raped by my own father meant I had no idea where the keys are I'd have someone else keep track of my keys. Seriously. But my mom is a hard-core smoker.. she smokes at least three times a day. Even if you just drank too much Red Bull or ate too many twinkies it would eventually begin to affect you negatively, rather mentally or physically. Like that documentary where the guy ate all that McDonalds and couldn't even get an erection anymore- yikes. And zeromus.. as for DWI's for weed.. we already have that law in place. Driving while high on marijuana is already illegal as it's own separate law. Actually, I don't know about all states, but in most being high on marijuana is not a crime. If the cops walked in your house and you were stoned, with no evidence left around, you would be in no trouble whatsoever. It's funny.. being high on Marijuana is not illegal. But public intoxication, DWI, paraphernalia, selling, intent to sell and possession are. You can be high on pot but you can't have a joint in your cig pack? Wtf? Most drugs are actually illegal to be high on, no matter where you are or what your age is- like meth. If you are high on meth it doesn't matter if they can't even find a granule of the stuff- you're going to jail. As it is, it's illegal to have alcohol in your system if you are a minor, but not illegal to be high on pot if you are a minor. (There's one of the few laws they'll need to make)
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:51 pm
Yeah, for me, I can't have certain substances in my system, including weed and some otc medications, cause I'd get in trouble. For military, If you have ANYTHING that can alter your mindset, without a prescription privided by a navy doctor, you're in trouble.
As for quantity: too much of anything can harm you. Too much water, food, drugs, alcohol, etc. I know a guy who drank himself to oblivion. twice. The first time the ambulance found him face-down in a gutter. The second time, in Guam, he fell asleep in the taxi and wouldn't wake up. He turned out fine, but people were seriously concerned he wouldn't wake up. Bad times.
I know I sound dumb and naive at some points, and that's only cause I've never really dealt with this first hand. I'd actually rather have first-hand experience with these things, cause I think People who experienced these things make better decisions than those who are afraid to even bring up the subject.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:52 pm
It's interesting that you mentioned religious views on marijuana. I had never really given it much thought, but I heard a sermon just the other day that I think would totally apply!
The preacher was saying how we we have the liberty, through grace, to do all things unless God specifically prohibits them or He has called us to give up our liberty for a particular reason. For example, murder is specifically prohibited, so we can't use our claim of liberty to justify murdering people who park diagonally across four spaces in a crowded parking lot. But nowhere are we specifically instructed that we can't drink alcohol (despite what some religious people claim), so we have the liberty to drink if we chose. However, God may ask a person to give up alcohol freely so as to be a good witness to kids or to keep themselves sober so they can focus on the work of God. I figure we can run marijuana use through the same filter. Is it directly prohibited by God? No. Therefore we have liberty in this area. However, we are told to obey the laws of the land unless they contradict God's laws, so we should follow the law and avoid marijuana use.
If it is made legal, then the issue changes to a matter of personal preference. I don't smoke cigarettes, either, and have really never had the desire. I can't imagine I would ever be tempted to try either cigarettes or marijuana. Besides, I am called to work with kids on a daily basis. I would be a bad witness to them if I did the very things I encourage them to avoid.
I don't know if marijuana will ever be made legal. I can't help but wonder if legalizing marijuana would actually make it less popular. It would certainly take away the thrill aspect! I hate the thought of anyone throwing their money away on this stuff, though. Seems like such a waste!
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:34 pm
You forgot Cannabis, zero. wink
That aside, I've got no problems with people who smoke it, I just think that if they're going to that they should do it in their own homes.
I was hit by a kid that was high on it back in september. They didn't charge him with a felony, since I was coming out of a driveway on my bike, instead of a crosswalk. As a result I broke a tooth and chipped some others, cracked a growth plate and had a few bruises, the largest of which turned into a massive infection, and I might have had a mild concussion. Besides that, my bike's totaled.
Personally I've never tried it, but if I was offered and I was really stressed out I might. Many of my friends do smoke, and 96% of the kids at my school do, so I'm sort of used to it by now.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:21 am
DiDiW It's interesting that you mentioned religious views on marijuana. I had never really given it much thought, but I heard a sermon just the other day that I think would totally apply! The preacher was saying how we we have the liberty, through grace, to do all things unless God specifically prohibits them or He has called us to give up our liberty for a particular reason. For example, murder is specifically prohibited, so we can't use our claim of liberty to justify murdering people who park diagonally across four spaces in a crowded parking lot. But nowhere are we specifically instructed that we can't drink alcohol (despite what some religious people claim), so we have the liberty to drink if we chose. However, God may ask a person to give up alcohol freely so as to be a good witness to kids or to keep themselves sober so they can focus on the work of God. I figure we can run marijuana use through the same filter. Is it directly prohibited by God? No. Therefore we have liberty in this area. However, we are told to obey the laws of the land unless they contradict God's laws, so we should follow the law and avoid marijuana use. If it is made legal, then the issue changes to a matter of personal preference. I don't smoke cigarettes, either, and have really never had the desire. I can't imagine I would ever be tempted to try either cigarettes or marijuana. Besides, I am called to work with kids on a daily basis. I would be a bad witness to them if I did the very things I encourage them to avoid. I don't know if marijuana will ever be made legal. I can't help but wonder if legalizing marijuana would actually make it less popular. It would certainly take away the thrill aspect! I hate the thought of anyone throwing their money away on this stuff, though. Seems like such a waste! Well... I stay away from churches. And I'll tell you why. Don't hate me.. but your preacher is wrong.. kind of. It is a sin to be a drunkard, and a drunkard will not inherit the kingdom. I tried to find some verses online, but all I found was a bunch of extremist-christian rants with verses misconstrued. The bible is black and white, clear as day, yet so many misconstrue it how they want. If they can find some hidden meaning, they will feel better about themselves. If you ask for God's help while reading the Bible, there is no misconception. Or.. if you are guided by a true Christian, as I was. It is not a sin to drink, it's not even a sin to get drunk. But if you are a drunk, it is a sin. If you are constantly under the influence of a mind-altering substance.. it is a sin. Ughh, I know I have some verses.. Here we are.. 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. These are just two of over seventy verses about drunks. As for marijuana.. I'll have to search around.. of course marijuana itself is not mentioned. But I'll find something. Also, DiDiW.. have you read the Bible? Don't be ashamed if you haven't. I still have yet to read it all. You should just know.. you should read it yourself. So many people like to make you think the Bible says this or doesn't say that, but the only way you'll know is to read it. I was lied to for years about what it actually said. I recommend you read the Authorized King James version. I always recommend this version, except for children, of course. Raw translation. It's a bit dry at times, but I trust it more. ((Puts preacher gown back on the hook)) I agree with you on it not being as cool once it's legal. I think that will happen.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:00 pm
get your lighters, role that sticky,lets get high. biggrin
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:20 pm
Tyler Durden_420 get your lighters, role that sticky,lets get high. biggrin Brilliant. Is that a song lyric? Bone Thugs? Eh.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:54 pm
I agree that it is not a sin to drink. I'm sorry if I misrepresented the sermon, but the pastor was actually agreeing with that statement. He was stating that he felt HE had been called to not drink because he worked so closely with teens and felt it could be a bad example.
Drinking is not a sin. Jesus turned water into wine because they needed more for a party. Anyone who claims wine is of the devil should read about the wedding at Cana! lol
Being a drunkard is a sin, but so is being a liar, fornicator, etc. (as you quoted). The Bible speaks very strongly against drunkenness, and rightly so. Being a drunk will ruin a person's life, and God really didn't design for us to destroy ourselves.
I learned a long time ago to filter everything anyone says through the words of the Bible, and through the pattern it creates as a whole. The Bible can be used to say ANYTHING if verses are taken out of context, and the only way to know the original intent is to read the verses in the larger context of the chapter, the book, and the Bible as a whole. I read four different translations on a regular basis (KJV, NASV, NIV, and RSV) and have read through the entire Bible well over a dozen times, sometimes slowly over the course of a year, other times rapid fire to finish in under a month. I trust some pastors more than others, but they are all human and can make mistakes.
You are right that the only way to really know the Bible is to read it. Whether you agree with the teachings or not, it's good to give it a read so you know what's in there. There's lots of good advice, some really neat stories, and enough hope to keep you afloat during tough times.
And as an interesting note on the Corinthians 5:11 verse: Paul was NOT telling Christians to avoid people who do those things. He was telling Christians to avoid OTHER CHRISTIANS who do those things. This is something that those "Christians" who refuse to associate with "sinners" in the community ignore. Grrr!
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:47 pm
Well my friend smokes it...good for her or whatever you know? i don't really want to do drugs sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:30 am
Never gotten high. Always wanted to try it for the hell of it though. I've had many chances, just too chicken s**t to act on it. I'll just stick to the pills. It's easier, and I never get caught :/
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:52 am
DiDiW I agree that it is not a sin to drink. I'm sorry if I misrepresented the sermon, but the pastor was actually agreeing with that statement. He was stating that he felt HE had been called to not drink because he worked so closely with teens and felt it could be a bad example. Drinking is not a sin. Jesus turned water into wine because they needed more for a party. Anyone who claims wine is of the devil should read about the wedding at Cana! lol Being a drunkard is a sin, but so is being a liar, fornicator, etc. (as you quoted). The Bible speaks very strongly against drunkenness, and rightly so. Being a drunk will ruin a person's life, and God really didn't design for us to destroy ourselves. I learned a long time ago to filter everything anyone says through the words of the Bible, and through the pattern it creates as a whole. The Bible can be used to say ANYTHING if verses are taken out of context, and the only way to know the original intent is to read the verses in the larger context of the chapter, the book, and the Bible as a whole. I read four different translations on a regular basis (KJV, NASV, NIV, and RSV) and have read through the entire Bible well over a dozen times, sometimes slowly over the course of a year, other times rapid fire to finish in under a month. I trust some pastors more than others, but they are all human and can make mistakes. You are right that the only way to really know the Bible is to read it. Whether you agree with the teachings or not, it's good to give it a read so you know what's in there. There's lots of good advice, some really neat stories, and enough hope to keep you afloat during tough times. And as an interesting note on the Corinthians 5:11 verse: Paul was NOT telling Christians to avoid people who do those things. He was telling Christians to avoid OTHER CHRISTIANS who do those things. This is something that those "Christians" who refuse to associate with "sinners" in the community ignore. Grrr! So you have read the Bible. I'm impressed you've read it so many times! Things can definitely get misinterpreted. When I get verses from the Bible for the purpose of explaining/ proving a point, whatever.. I get online and find the verses, then I actually look them up in the KJV I have at my desk and type them out of there. I typed a massive PM to Matasoga. I think it included every verse I could possibly find on Homosexuality. It really pissed him off, I know it did, cause he's not one to not argue back. It's probably not right of me but I enjoyed throwing the Bible in his face. It just drives me crazy when people say that something is or isn't in the Bible but don't back it up. When having heated debates I always have my source- whether it be the dictionary, the Bible or Wikipedia. Though, I don't trust Wikipedia so much, haha. People can have personal opinions.. and it's crazy but even though I am all for homosexuality I still defend the fact that it is a sin in the eyes of God. People are just so touchy nowadays. It's like, I didn't write the Bible. I'm not a disciple, I'm not Jesus, and I'm not God. If I had it my way there would be like ten sins. For real. And only like three would be serious. And homosexuality wouldn't be one of them. I just don't know why people screw with the Bible, I really wish people could accept it as it is or just stay out of it. I mean.. if I were gay? I would just accept the fact that I would not have eternal life. I'd rather it that way than to live a lie, but I wouldn't try to change the Bible to make what I'm doing right in the eyes of God or others.
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