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Sir Regulus Lyonhart
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:13 pm


Possibly the greatest tool any world traveler can have in his or her arsenal is...

A wide range of foreign languages! =]

Learning languages is difficult, time-consuming, and sometimes frustrating and lonely. However it doesn't really have to be anymore!

If any of you have heard of the Rosetta Stone language program or have tried it out, you'll notice that it's actually a very efficient way to pick up a language. However, the price tag is the problem. And honestly, you don't get very much practice with native speakers that way.

What if I told you, you could use a program that's essentially the same as the Rosetta Stone program, except that it was free, and it's on the net, and it's based on a networking site in which you can connect to thousands of people from around the world that fluently speak the language you are trying to learn and are willing to practice speaking it, or writing it with you?

http://www.livemocha.com

Friend me. My username is Liesmith Loki.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:09 pm


Thanks for the link Regulus - as always I managed to not stumble upon the most interesting sites myself.

Right now I don't have the time to further investigate the site, but what I've seen so far definitely seems interesting. I especially like the fact that your lessons will be reviewed by other members (already wrote my first comment, which feels pretty good - finally a community you can contribute to right from the beginning). I'll definitely have to spend some time on it after work!

Nisha Lan


Zexion_DMXRemix

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:32 pm


I'm Amaranth!
And learning German now!
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:22 pm


Glad to be of service to you two. ;3

Remember to friend me! D:

Liesmith Loki


Electric_Tok

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:31 pm


I'm logged in! and it says I'm learning Spanish, but I haven't started that yet, because I found the Korean!

its such a great site!

oh, I'm Wonder_Toko
^^
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:49 pm


That is too cool. Nice site find.


The_Super_Nintenho


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Xeigrich
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:27 pm


Oh, this is pretty cool!

Though being a language nerd, I must say their approach to teaching (in the beginning lessons anyway), is very inefficient and is definitely not the best way to approach a new language you do not know much about. A lot of people, Americans especially, are very ignorant of how languages work, and it can be extremely confusing if you try to learn a language very different, like going from English to Hindu or Mandarin. They don't offer any sort of pronunciation guide or anything, though I realize that this could be extremely difficult since they cover so many different languages. The real appeal to this site is the whole discussion with native speakers and other learners thing, which is an indispensable resource that no software or book can even come close to imitating.

By the by, I just joined earlier. I'm Xeigrich on there too if anyone wants to befriend me, but don't expect me to be on there often.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:30 am


Xeigrich
Oh, this is pretty cool!

Though being a language nerd, I must say their approach to teaching (in the beginning lessons anyway), is very inefficient and is definitely not the best way to approach a new language you do not know much about. A lot of people, Americans especially, are very ignorant of how languages work, and it can be extremely confusing if you try to learn a language very different, like going from English to Hindu or Mandarin. They don't offer any sort of pronunciation guide or anything, though I realize that this could be extremely difficult since they cover so many different languages. The real appeal to this site is the whole discussion with native speakers and other learners thing, which is an indispensable resource that no software or book can even come close to imitating.

By the by, I just joined earlier. I'm Xeigrich on there too if anyone wants to befriend me, but don't expect me to be on there often.
I've noticed a lot of discrepancies in their lessons as well. Especially in the way of grammar.

They do have pronunciation, (what I mean is that they play audio of the words and sentences so you can hear how it's pronounced). Also tough pronunciations (with the standard pronunciation text) and other important things to note are usually posted by other people in the community, and go along with each individual exercise. You can see them off to the side, and such.

There aren't any clear cut guides, as I said for grammar or pronunciation, but I think if you're a quick learner, and can make do with little, then you can pull it off. =]

Liesmith Loki


Nisha Lan

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:19 am


For people like me, who are not learning languages by rules but rather by getting a "feeling" for the language, it's the perfect approach.

But without my grammar books I would feel a bit lost with the training lessons - right the first one for Japanese asks you to form sentences with "and"... just that nowhere throughout the first chapter you learn how to actually DO that. rolleyes
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:32 pm


All of the "beginner" lessons follow the exact same formula. Man, woman, boy, girl, old, young, tall, short, fat, thin, plus verbs for "to be" depending on subject, and articles if they're required.

I went through the Spanish 101 just for kicks (I've taken 5+ years of Spanish classes), and they expect you to understand by context alone that "eres" means "you are" and "soy" means "I am." They also expect you to know that "el" is masculine and goes with "o" and "la" is feminine and goes with "a." And as Nisha Lan mentioned, they expect you to pull the translation for "and" out of thin air. That's fine for a supplement, but if you expect to use the site as your primary learning source, it's unacceptable -- but anyone who is truly serious about learning a language should be using multiple sources anyway.

I'm convinced that this site isn't so much a place to "learn" a language, but rather a place to share, practice, and expand your existing knowledge of a language. That is to say, it doesn't really teach you much, it simply reinforces what you know and gives you a way to learn a bit deeper (via conversational practice with others).

Xeigrich
Crew


Liesmith Loki

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:46 pm


Well, they are working on adding grammar guides.

Quote:
Also, in case you’re wondering about what content improvements we’re working on next, here’s a little glimpse into the future:

1. PinYin and Romaji options for Japanese and Chinese speaking exercises (and speaking and writing exercises for ALL Chinese and Japanese courses)

2. Premium Grammar Guides! Livemocha will be adding much-requested grammar content starting in March, as part of our upcoming premium courses. And they DO look pretty awesome…if I say so myself…

3. A continuing stream of content fixes, based on your feedback.


AH! Damn! They're only for the premium courses. >___< That means you'd have to pay.

But yeah, like you said, you should probably be looking through numerous sources.

I think you could probably pick up Japanese pretty well between using that site, and a Japanese for Dummies book. ;B
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:22 pm


Heh, I've already spent hundreds of Euro/Dollar/Schilling/Mark (depending on time and location xp ) on books, CDs, programs and whatnot to improve my language skills, so I'll guess I'll just go with the offline-online combination.

Now I only have to find the keyboard switch on Linux - which, by the way, proves to myself just how very long it has been since my last foray into language lessons...

(ad first lesson: True, same with the Japanese version. They also never explain why the boy's the only one who uses "Boku" instead of the standard "Watashi" when talking about himself. Would have left me quite confused if this had been the first lesson I'd ever taken. But it does WONDERS when it comes to memorizing vocabulary. I'm really bad at it, but after a mere 20 minutes I remembered all of those I didn't know yet, and after 3 days they're still memorized.)

Nisha Lan


CommanderPumpkin

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:59 am


Nice find.
I just signed up an it's pretty cool all the different languages you can learn.

I wish I would of had this when I was learning Japanese, it would have helped to have someone tell me that I was pronouncing it right.

Thanks for the link.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:39 am


I prefer doing it the old fashioned way.

As German is my Minor in University, and as I am in Germany, it would be silly of me to pick up any other languages at the moment.

Sidnay


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:54 am


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What a fantastic link! I have always put off buying Rosetta Stone due to the hefty price tag. I finally have an excuse to start practicing German!



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