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 Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:50 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:12 am
Very good topic, 20 shades..
It got me thinking, with the Shulemon quintuplet pregnancy and the teenage pregnancy.. just how far a person's "right" to be a parent is to extend..
At least this 13 and 15 year old seem more loving parents than a parent like Nadya Shulemon. But as we all know, love isn't enough. Babies are expensive and require lots of attention and care. Babies need this even if a parent does not personally feel very loving at that moment.
It looks like those 13-15 year old kids' parents are living off of welfare but already have 9 kids. That means that the 13 year old father and 15 year old mother will probably require going on welfare too- and enlist the help of their own parents to raise their baby on top of that.
The first 5-6 years of a child's life is critical for their development for the rest of their lives.
I vehemently support birth control and abortion.. but with overpopulation and over consumption of resources, it reflects poorly to have kids for people who are practically unfit. Whether they are mentally unfit, too young, too poor, too busy, etc... kids are just no joke.
And here's the question... does a person have a privilege, or a right to be a parent no matter what?
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:41 pm
Societies gone mad. Having and raising your own children is a privalege not a right. Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. If you want to have children you should have them when you (and your partner) can afford them.
The boy himself looks no older than 9 and when interviewed about what he'd do financially he didn't even know what finance meant and they had to dumb it down for him. What do this kids have to offer this child? Nothing.
There is little excuse to have a child in the UK when you cannot afford it. Birth controls free, condoms are available for free and when all else fails abortion is free.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:03 pm
I think that countries like the US & UK are too closed up about sex. Rather than discussing it with them and letting them know that there is no shame in asking to get condoms or birth control, we treat sex as something bad and secret; even to the point that we lie to children about it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:17 pm
I feel so sorry for the two parents. My friend was saying to me how it upset her when she looked at pictures of the father, because his expression always indicated that he had no idea what he had gotten himself into, and he always looks really upset!
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:33 pm
I read about that, and saw some vids on youtube, and to be blunt...I'm broken hearted for those kids.
Those kids are having to grow up faster than normal. As far as I know, they are taking on a responsibility that no child should have to take on.
Some pro lifers may say, "Oh well, you can't get an abortion, you're too young for that kind of thing." But at the same time, it's like, "Oh, but this kid isn't too young to a)carry a pregnancy to term b) give birth to it and quite possibly do some major damage to their bodies (I've read the younger the mom, the more risks child bearing has. I'm talking 15 or younger) c) raise a kid while they are still a kid themselves.
I mean come on, that 13 year old father looks like he could be in grade school. He looks old enough to be the baby's elder brother, not father.
This story really upsets me. I'm not going to go on about how they should have an abortion because a)That's not my place to say and b) what's done is done but there is no reason why a someone as young 13 should be raising a baby.
I'm just really upset by this. It's....there's no words to describe how sad I am that this happened.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:09 pm
SugaryStrawberry Societies gone mad. Having and raising your own children is a privalege not a right.. I disagree. O_O It's a right, but like most rights it can be taken away if you violate the rights of others. Society can't stop you from having kids, but it can take them away if you abuse or neglect them. What would the alternative be? Forced sterilizations? Telling someone they can't have a child is as bad as telling them they must have a child. Quote: There is little excuse to have a child in the UK when you cannot afford it. Birth controls free, condoms are available for free and when all else fails abortion is free. How is that any different from when lifers try to tell us to just suck it up because adoption and financial assistance are available?
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:00 pm
Yeah, society is too closed up about sex. I wasn't totally sure how sex was performed until I was about 13, but even then I knew that it made babies and it involved the male and female sexual organs coming together somehow. A lot of parents won't give their kids the sex talk, so the kids learn about it from their friends, where they often learn stupid sex rumors like "you can't get pregnant standing up" or "you can't get pregnant the first time", and thinking those rumors are true can often lead to unwanted pregnancy. A lot of parents seem to think that their kid knows nothing about sex and isn't even thinking about sex, so they decide they might as well not tell the kid because then he'll know how it's done and want to do it. However, a lot of kids I know know way more about sex than their parents think they do.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:49 pm
I t turns out that the 13-year-old might not be the father. The two others that stepped forward are 14 (not much better) and 16. Plus, the mother has claimed to have slept with as many as 8 teenagers around the time she got pregnant...
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:29 am
SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful.
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:38 am
Tiadaria SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful. Yeah. At my school, the "sex education" they gave us implied that if you wait until after marriage for sex, you're automatically immune from STDs and unwanted pregnancies.
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:00 am
marshmallowcreampie Tiadaria SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful. Yeah. At my school, the "sex education" they gave us implied that if you wait until after marriage for sex, you're automatically immune from STDs and unwanted pregnancies.
Yep. Same here. xD They would actually say, "If you want to stay STD free and prevent unwanted pregnancy, wait till marriage"...I'm like, what does that change? xD
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:37 am
Nayva I t turns out that the 13-year-old might not be the father. The two others that stepped forward are 14 (not much better) and 16. Plus, the mother has claimed to have slept with as many as 8 teenagers around the time she got pregnant...
So, in other words, one of those 8 guys she slept with could be the father? Are they going to do a DNA test to find out who it is?
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:38 am
Xxartistic_illusionXx Nayva I t turns out that the 13-year-old might not be the father. The two others that stepped forward are 14 (not much better) and 16. Plus, the mother has claimed to have slept with as many as 8 teenagers around the time she got pregnant...So, in other words, one of those 8 guys she slept with could be the father? Are they going to do a DNA test to find out who it is? At least on Alfie, Maisie and Chantelle, yes. Reportedly it's going to be a saliva swab and the results will be known a week later.
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:22 pm
marshmallowcreampie Tiadaria SugaryStrawberry Years ago if you had a child outside of marriage you'd be put in a single mothers home and told to fend for yourself, if you couldn't the child would get taken into care. And thankfully those days are far behind us. It's a tragedy that some people still cling to the notion that marriage solves anything at all, and that becoming a parent while unmarried is something wrong or shameful. Yeah. At my school, the "sex education" they gave us implied that if you wait until after marriage for sex, you're automatically immune from STDs and unwanted pregnancies. See, this is why I think it's inherently sexist, as it implies that every woman wants to be a mother, which is a gender role, yeah? xP
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