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rachaella22
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:32 am


I'm sure most of you are disappointed with the finale, particularly the shipping aspects. So, I was wondering what you guys would change to make it more ship neutral or Zutara endgame (and any other aspects you would change).

So, share your ideas and complaints. =D

(Also, where did everyone go? D: I miss you guys.)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:14 am


(I miss the activity on here too) Hmmm. Well for one thing, Katara would have been the one to walk in and help Zuko. Then they could have had a nice long talk. The battle with Ozai would be more epic and Aang would figure out the Avatar State himself. Also, Koh needed to have been there and Aang would have come to realize that Ozai needed to be killed. Oh, and there would still be ozai supporters. Gosh, there's so much!!!

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rachaella22
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:39 am


daydreamer11691
(I miss the activity on here too) Hmmm. Well for one thing, Katara would have been the one to walk in and help Zuko. Then they could have had a nice long talk. The battle with Ozai would be more epic and Aang would figure out the Avatar State himself. Also, Koh needed to have been there and Aang would have come to realize that Ozai needed to be killed. Oh, and there would still be ozai supporters. Gosh, there's so much!!!
This is pretty much exactly what I would want, too. Especially figuring out the Avatar State and killing Ozai and/or having Ozai's followers revolt. That'd make for some epic stuff.

I really would've loved to see Koh - he had potential for some crazy awesome plot points, and would be a really interesting villain to face (no pun intended). And didn't he say something like, "We'll meet again" or something in the season one finale?

Also, Ursa. Ursa would've been found if I had any say in things.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:21 pm


Lol, rewrite the finale? I'd rewrite the whole of Book 3

I'm not sure what I'd change, as I've finally come to terms with what happened and accept it. (If I just keep away from anything concerning the finale that is sweatdrop )
But if anything was to change it would just be what everyone else usually wants the whole Avatar state/Lion turtle shenanigans, Ursa, leaving the endgame ships open-ended and the whole deal with Ozai.

Maybe one different thing would be a change in the dialogue. 60% of what was said either didn't need to be said or just didn't sit right with me.

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rachaella22
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:20 pm


Apple-Sherbet
Lol, rewrite the finale? I'd rewrite the whole of Book 3

I'm not sure what I'd change, as I've finally come to terms with what happened and accept it. (If I just keep away from anything concerning the finale that is sweatdrop )
But if anything was to change it would just be what everyone else usually wants the whole Avatar state/Lion turtle shenanigans, Ursa, leaving the endgame ships open-ended and the whole deal with Ozai.

Maybe one different thing would be a change in the dialogue. 60% of what was said either didn't need to be said or just didn't sit right with me.
xD I've come to terms with it the same way. Post-finale fanfic helps, too.

Hmm... I don't remember much with the dialogue. Do you remember anything specific? *curious*
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:48 pm


I don't remember anything in particular, I'd have to rewatch to actually remember anything. But it was alot of Aang and Zuko's dialogue.

One I remember though was just the simple "It's a hexagon".

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rachaella22
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:46 am


Apple-Sherbet
I don't remember anything in particular, I'd have to rewatch to actually remember anything. But it was alot of Aang and Zuko's dialogue.

One I remember though was just the simple "It's a hexagon".
Aah, makes sense. I was upset with pretty much everything Aang did in general. xD

One thing I still wonder - why the hell did Aang go trance-mode and wander off to the Lion-Turtle in the first place? Did it summon him or something?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:22 am


I'd kill the easy button aspect, I'd make zutara endgame, Toph would've gotten her adventure with Zuko, the Lion-turtle abomination wouldn't exist, the lightening would've hit Zuko's heart, not his stomache, Ursa's location would've been found out, Mai would've gotten together with Ty Lee (Who would later cheat on her with crazy Azula =3= (Ty Zula ftw!)).
Other then the above, the finale was pretty much awesomesauce 3nodding

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rachaella22
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:32 pm


Dementia DarkMoon
I'd kill the easy button aspect, I'd make zutara endgame, Toph would've gotten her adventure with Zuko, the Lion-turtle abomination wouldn't exist, the lightening would've hit Zuko's heart, not his stomache, Ursa's location would've been found out, Mai would've gotten together with Ty Lee (Who would later cheat on her with crazy Azula =3= (Ty Zula ftw!)).
Other then the above, the finale was pretty much awesomesauce 3nodding
Aah, I almost forgot about Toph not getting her adventure with Zuko. D: They definitely deserved a life changing bonding experience.

I forgot the heart-thing, too - that would've been epic. 8D I would've liked it if Katara used bloodbending to heal him, since it would've been a lot more significant that really random use of it in TSR (which was never discussed, though I like how Zuko didn't seem to judge her for it).

MaiLee and TyZula certainly would've been an interesting twist. xD I would've liked Mai with Ty Lee better than Zuko, at least, though Jet/Mai is my favourite Mai ship (if only it were possible).
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:21 pm


1.I'd burn the lionturtle. Then send the ashes to space... Lol, in all seriousness, I'd get rid of the lionturtle and make Aang make a hard choice for once. It seems like he got through the series without making too many of those (if he made any at all). Everyone else had to, so why not him? He is the Avatar after all. That brings me to my second plot rewrite.
2.Ozai dies. He needs to be taken out. You may be able to get rid of a lion's claws, but he can still rip your throat out with his teeth. What about Ozai's political connections? The Fire Nation won't just fall at Zuko's knees because Ozai was 'defeated', the fact that he's still alive makes it worse.
3. I'd end the movie with a hint as to where Ursa is so that the story would continue so that the Zutara relationship would have time to develop. And that leads to plot rewrite
4. The movie would end with all hope for Kataang destroyed (because apparently EIP wasn't enough of a hint). Katara would tell Aang that she does love him... as a brother, but that they weren't right for each other and that he had a lot of personal growth to do before he thought about such a serious relationship. Her friendship with Zuko would grow stronger with just a whisper of a possible romance. You can't rush these things after all, and let's face it, until about two episodes before, she wanted him to die slowly. Maybe of dysentry or some other equally humiliating disease/accident.
5. Mai would have gotten forgiveness from Zuko.( Come on, they acted like she had nothing to be sorry about!) They might have ended as friends, but their romantic relationship would be officially over (for Zuko at least. I'm toying with the idea of Mai being in unrequited love. I just don't like her).


Well, there's my longwinded rewrite ideas for the final movie. Standard stuff, I know, but this is genuinely what ticked me off about the finale. I was thinking about killing off Azula, too, but I really liked how she ended up. Maybe I'd have her turn good and disappear into the mountains to become a shepherdess. Or maybe she'd stay evil and try to exact revenge for her 'stolen' throne and the death of her father (because in my version, Ozai dies).

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:28 am


(I'm sorry for my inactivity, rachaella-chan! *Hugs* I've been so busy with college and work, but things are statig to wind down more so I'll post more. :3)

I agree with everthing everyone else had said. One aspect of it all, though, is that if I could change only one thing and I couldn't change the ship, I would change the Kataang make out scene. When Katara is on the balcony and Aang stands next to her with the sunset in the background, it's an adorable and beautiful scene. Just the symbolism of everything shows they loved eachother and everything's perfect now. Then, the creators threw in this random as hell french kiss, all zoomd in and everything. Them just standing next to eachother was enough for us all to know they were together, and it was very cute. The making out thing was just very out of place and made the whole scene unbalanced and awkward. My little 11 and 13 year old cousins are Zutarians, but they actually noted to me how out of place the kiss was between Katara and Aang. If an eleven year old could see that, why couldn't the creators? Ah, I'm ranting again. Sorry! X3
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:01 am


Ladrona del Corazon
1.I'd burn the lionturtle. Then send the ashes to space... Lol, in all seriousness, I'd get rid of the lionturtle and make Aang make a hard choice for once. It seems like he got through the series without making too many of those (if he made any at all). Everyone else had to, so why not him? He is the Avatar after all. That brings me to my second plot rewrite.
2.Ozai dies. He needs to be taken out. You may be able to get rid of a lion's claws, but he can still rip your throat out with his teeth. What about Ozai's political connections? The Fire Nation won't just fall at Zuko's knees because Ozai was 'defeated', the fact that he's still alive makes it worse.
3. I'd end the movie with a hint as to where Ursa is so that the story would continue so that the Zutara relationship would have time to develop. And that leads to plot rewrite
4. The movie would end with all hope for Kataang destroyed (because apparently EIP wasn't enough of a hint). Katara would tell Aang that she does love him... as a brother, but that they weren't right for each other and that he had a lot of personal growth to do before he thought about such a serious relationship. Her friendship with Zuko would grow stronger with just a whisper of a possible romance. You can't rush these things after all, and let's face it, until about two episodes before, she wanted him to die slowly. Maybe of dysentry or some other equally humiliating disease/accident.
5. Mai would have gotten forgiveness from Zuko.( Come on, they acted like she had nothing to be sorry about!) They might have ended as friends, but their romantic relationship would be officially over (for Zuko at least. I'm toying with the idea of Mai being in unrequited love. I just don't like her).


Well, there's my longwinded rewrite ideas for the final movie. Standard stuff, I know, but this is genuinely what ticked me off about the finale. I was thinking about killing off Azula, too, but I really liked how she ended up. Maybe I'd have her turn good and disappear into the mountains to become a shepherdess. Or maybe she'd stay evil and try to exact revenge for her 'stolen' throne and the death of her father (because in my version, Ozai dies).
Okay, I seriously like the idea of Katara saying that to Aang. It's letting him down gently (I think some people would fly off the handle and point out all the selfish, immature things he's done, like demanding answers and kissing her when she was confused), but letting him down. I mean, Aang should've lost something in the end. He shouldn't have gotten everything he wanted - Ozai can live and he can have his lame cop-out, but getting Katara on top of it all is just... jfdskl People aren't prizes! D:

Anyway, yeah. I agree on everything. =D

rachaella22
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rachaella22
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:08 am


RockyRoadSmith
(I'm sorry for my inactivity, rachaella-chan! *Hugs* I've been so busy with college and work, but things are statig to wind down more so I'll post more. :3)

I agree with everthing everyone else had said. One aspect of it all, though, is that if I could change only one thing and I couldn't change the ship, I would change the Kataang make out scene. When Katara is on the balcony and Aang stands next to her with the sunset in the background, it's an adorable and beautiful scene. Just the symbolism of everything shows they loved eachother and everything's perfect now. Then, the creators threw in this random as hell french kiss, all zoomd in and everything. Them just standing next to eachother was enough for us all to know they were together, and it was very cute. The making out thing was just very out of place and made the whole scene unbalanced and awkward. My little 11 and 13 year old cousins are Zutarians, but they actually noted to me how out of place the kiss was between Katara and Aang. If an eleven year old could see that, why couldn't the creators? Ah, I'm ranting again. Sorry! X3
(Ah, it's okay. ^.^ Everyone has personal lives to deal with.)

Agreed so much. gonk At first, when I saw that scene, I though, "Aww, that's not so bad - pretty sunset, cute hug. Subtle and age-appropriate." And then it zoomed back in and they made-out. o.O

I think Bryke are a little confused about romance. They seem to think it needs to be right in your face and loud and obvious, when it's actually the more subtle things that a lot of people like. That's probably why Zutara had more appeal than Kataang or Maiko and they got so upset/confused by it.

Blah. I dunno. But, yeah - if an eleven year old can figure out when something's wrong with your story, you probably haven't done a very good job. xD
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:59 pm


I though, "Aww, that's not so bad - pretty sunset, cute hug. Subtle and age-appropriate." And then it zoomed back in and they made-out. o.O

I agree! I could have dealt with that part if the make out scene hadn't been thrown in like that! Aang's like a middleschooler! A simple hug would have sufficed or the two of them gazing at the sunset would have worked too.

anonymous9131


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:11 pm


daydreamer11691
I though, "Aww, that's not so bad - pretty sunset, cute hug. Subtle and age-appropriate." And then it zoomed back in and they made-out. o.O

I agree! I could have dealt with that part if the make out scene hadn't been thrown in like that! Aang's like a middleschooler! A simple hug would have sufficed or the two of them gazing at the sunset would have worked too.
in some places he'd still be in elementary school. he's like what? 11? 12? that's 6th grade. when my niece was in 6th grade, she was an elementary schooler.
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