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 Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:10 pm
So. I am a bit miffed about various talk about aeroships. I love to babble on about how much less fuel they use, and how beautiful they are, ect. (I'm a sucker for lighter-than-air ships, you know) However! if I start going on about them for more than..usually about a minute, actually, someone...someone Always cuts in with a comment along the lines of "Arn't airships pretty dangerous though? I mean -cough- they explode." And then look pleased with themselves for saying it. At that point I am liable to either take a deep breath and look at them for a moment coldly with narrowed nostrils, or start talking very fast. Usually a combination of the two. "No! No! The Hindenburg explodes, true. But that was rare! RARE! Just because that one ship burst into flames and it was reported around the world, aeroships declined in popularity! You can go onto youtube now and search car or aeroplane or ship crashes or explosions and get hundreds of results, but when One aeroship burns they practically die off!" They were so wonderful too. -tears- Good thing is now people are realizing how lovely they were, and how fuel efficient they were/are...and it is getting back into business! I predict (I sound like Criswell~ haha), that in 10-20 years (sooner will be nice) or so we will be seeing those magnificent ships more frequently in the skies! Its starting already! http://zeppelintours.com/zeppelincruises/4530212846http://www.21stcenturyairships.com/sightseeingI'm sure there is more~ I figured the aeroships were rather steampunk..ish~ Thank you for your time! (I'll stop ranting now)
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:24 pm
I prefer to call them blimps (in modern context) or dirigibles (in steampunk context). And again in the proper context, zeppelins. When I saw "aeroships," I immediately thought of the typical "airship" shaped like a sea-faring boat but with propellers made for flying.
But whatever we call them, I love them as well. XD
I've always wanted to ride in one of the blimps they fly around above some stadium sports games. I can only imagine it's similar to a hot air balloon, on a larger scale of course, but I haven't been in one of those either...
(Oh, the humanity!)
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:45 am
yes but the Hindenburg had the slight problem that because of Nazi affiliations they couldn't find a supplier of non-flammable lighter than air gas. I'm not a chemist so I'll let someone else expand on that.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:26 am
I am quite obsessed with airships (some might say); and if all goes well this year will be studying how to make them (among other things) in Cambridge. Indeed, I have already read their book of airship technology. Even if I don't end up working for an airship company (there's one in France making a magnificent cruise-airship), I intend to make my own. Xeigrich I prefer to call them blimps (in modern context) or dirigibles (in steampunk context). And again in the proper context, zeppelins. When I saw "aeroships," I immediately thought of the typical "airship" shaped like a sea-faring boat but with propellers made for flying. Aerostat = airship or hot-air-balloon (esp. tethered) - a general term Aeroship = Airship = a power driven craft held aloft by gas (lighter-than-air) Blimp = small, non-rigid, [often unsteerable as well] (typical use, compare barrage balloon) Dirigible = an airship capable of being steered Non-rigid = just a balloon Semi-rigid = structured keel (for example) providing support Rigid = full framework inside to support. Zeppelin = a particular manufacture of airship (now developed into a general term, much like 'Hoover' for vacuum cleaners). Dynairship (or lifting body airship) = an airship where the balloon is shaped as an aerofoil, providing dynamic lift when in motion Rotastat = and airship with rotating wings attached (i.e. helicopter) to provide additional lift Winged Airship = an airship with wings attached for additional lift.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:51 am
They used hydrogen instead of Helium, if I recall, which was why the Hindenburg exploded. also the paint on it was flammable, or something like that.
And I know the Airship you meant. The Final Fantasy games (earlier ones 1-5) had those. 6 actually had more of a lighter-than-air craft.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:47 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:48 pm
Captain Amaranth I am quite obsessed with airships (some might say); and if all goes well this year will be studying how to make them (among other things) in Cambridge. Indeed, I have already read their book of airship technology. Even if I don't end up working for an airship company (there's one in France making a magnificent cruise-airship), I intend to make my own. Xeigrich I prefer to call them blimps (in modern context) or dirigibles (in steampunk context). And again in the proper context, zeppelins. When I saw "aeroships," I immediately thought of the typical "airship" shaped like a sea-faring boat but with propellers made for flying. Aerostat = airship or hot-air-balloon (esp. tethered) - a general term Aeroship = Airship = a power driven craft held aloft by gas (lighter-than-air) Blimp = small, non-rigid, [often unsteerable as well] (typical use, compare barrage balloon) Dirigible = an airship capable of being steered Non-rigid = just a balloon Semi-rigid = structured keel (for example) providing support Rigid = full framework inside to support. Zeppelin = a particular manufacture of airship (now developed into a general term, much like 'Hoover' for vacuum cleaners). Dynairship (or lifting body airship) = an airship where the balloon is shaped as an aerofoil, providing dynamic lift when in motion Rotastat = and airship with rotating wings attached (i.e. helicopter) to provide additional lift Winged Airship = an airship with wings attached for additional lift. Hold on there, a couple of those definitions are inaccurate or misleading. An "aerostat" or "aerostatic aircraft" is simply a vessel that achieves vertical lift without the aid of moving parts. That is to say, it floats, rather than flies. The opposite would be vessels that achieve lift by forward motion combined with an airfoil (wings, like an airplaine), or vessels that can achieve "vertical take-off and landing" (VTOL) such as helicopters and some of the more advanced jet planes. A tethered balloon is called a "moored balloon" and I'm not sure it even qualifies as an airship, but it is still considered an aerostat. "Rotocraft" is the proper term for a helicopter, as "rotostat" would mean "spins and stays in place" and doesn't make sense! Remember the Greek fixes... roto (rotate), aero (air/gas), stat (static/stationary). Most of those terms don't describe actual craft, just parts of the craft or functions of the craft. Specifically speaking, a Zeppelin is a certain manufacturer's model of rigid lighter-than-air airship. Most blimps actually ARE steerable but are almost always non-rigid, as they have propellers or fan turbines attached to the gondola. I don't think any non-steerable aircraft can properly be referred to as an airship of any sorts, as it would just be a balloon (if we're only talking about lighter than air flight) or other sort of aerostatic aircraft. So with that in mind, "Zeppelin" is only appropriate in a more historically accurate context, but "dirigible" is an excellent blanket term for any sort of flying craft -- especially since it's generally associated with lighter-than-air flight, as opposed to things like jets and airplanes which I've never once heard referred to as dirigibles. I don't have any problem with people saying "airship" or "aeroship" but it definitely conjures up images of Final Fantasy style "flying ships" -- a combination of fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters -- rather than lighter-than-air vehicles. As far as I understand, "airship" and "dirigible" are practically synonymous, but "dirigible" in the sense of a lighter-than-air flying craft is far more common here in the USA. I don't mean to split hairs, and I hope I'm not bothering anyone with my long-winded semi-rants. xp ...hehe, "long-winded." Pun not intended~
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:15 pm
Nay sir! I attest that none of my terms are inaccurate (I have studied these things, after all). They are admittedly brief (and therefore perhaps misleading due to lack of detailed explanation), but correct nonetheless - and refer to typical uses. They also all refer to qualities or descriptions of the craft.
Indeed, I am not sure what most of your 'semi-rant' is meant to achieve; given it largely does not contradict nor oppose what I said at all (merely reiterating my own comments). You seem quite correct on most of your points (at least from my understanding of things).
As to your points of difference:
Aerostat does refer to that which gains its lift from gas. (This being the only means of 'true' floating). Indeed, the opposite to helicopters or craft with dynamic lift.
Rotastat (whilst literally meaning that) does actually refer to an airship with rotating wings attached (being a portmanteau of rotocraft and aerostat) - and was coined by the rotostat's inventor. Ignore the root words!
Other notes:
Indeed, tethered/moored balloons aren't really airships (but are aerostats). I said 'compare' barrage balloon, not 'are'.
Yes, Zeppelin does refer specifically to the manufacturer's design of ship.
Yes, non-steerable craft would indeed be called balloons (and aerostats), however 'blimp' is used to describe these as well (although not exclusively, i.e. there are steerable and non-steerable blimps).
Fun note! Dirigible (as an adjective) means that it can be steered or directed, and can refer to anything! A dirigible airship ('airship' often being omitted) is thus one that can be steered.
However, these are but trifling matters! I daresay for the most part we are both entirely correct, and what little differences remain are largely semantics. What say you we leave these peculiarities to the seas of ambiguity?
I could go on to describe lenticular, torridal, multi-hull or rotating airships if you like.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:26 pm
^^ I just like spelling airships with the 'aero' instead as to make it look and sound slightly older. I do that with aeroplanes (see?) as well~ The computer is putting red lines under those words though~
I would love to one day go up in the aeroships! When they start becoming more prominent in Canada, it will be easier for sure.
haha~ the FF flying ships are awesome >< to bad I crashed mine, and had to go questing for a new one that doesnt look nearly as interesting! Jules Verne's novel 'Clipper of the Clouds' has a fine-looking flying ship, but it is clearly heavier-than-air...
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:35 pm
Electric_Tok Jules Verne's novel 'Clipper of the Clouds' has a fine-looking flying ship, but it is clearly heavier-than-air... That the one with the 'traditional' ship with a whole plethora of rotor blades on top?
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:45 pm
Captain Amaranth Electric_Tok Jules Verne's novel 'Clipper of the Clouds' has a fine-looking flying ship, but it is clearly heavier-than-air... That the one with the 'traditional' ship with a whole plethora of rotor blades on top? It certainly is! They keep calling them 'screws' or something odd. There is supposed to be 37 of them on the ship~
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:39 am
Electric_Tok Captain Amaranth Electric_Tok Jules Verne's novel 'Clipper of the Clouds' has a fine-looking flying ship, but it is clearly heavier-than-air... That the one with the 'traditional' ship with a whole plethora of rotor blades on top? It certainly is! They keep calling them 'screws' or something odd. There is supposed to be 37 of them on the ship~ What a frightfully specific number, does one suppose Verne tried to work out how many were needed? Mayhaps they are called screws by way of reference to Da Vinci's 'Aerial Screw'.
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:13 pm
Electric_Tok ^^ I just like spelling airships with the 'aero' instead as to make it look and sound slightly older. I do that with aeroplanes (see?) as well~ The computer is putting red lines under those words though~ Aero is actually Latin I believe and it means air or wind sweatdrop I looked into to renaissanse magic and Aeromancy is the manipulation of the wind element.....and usoally the terms are usually latin from my memory
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:37 pm
Actually, with the technology of today, airships would probably be no more unsafe than a plane or something. (Goodyear blimp anyone??)
And the only reason the Hindenburg crashed and burned was because it was fueled by hydrogen instead of helium. The US was the only country at the time that had helium in that large of a supply, and they refused to sell it to Germany. So the germans went with hydrogen. bad idea!
and! there was this show on the history channel a few days ago that i watched.... all about airships.... and the US navy had Goodyear build two really huge ones for long range surveillance over oceans sometime in the 1930's. they could store 4 small biplanes that could be released and brought back onto the ship (which was really cool to see!)
Unfortunately there were some weak points in the framework that were discovered, and Goodyear wanted to fix it, but the navy stalled on having it fixed and they both crashed D:
and that pretty much ended the US government funding the building of airships.
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:37 pm
At this moment- I will declare a life goal: To ride in an Airship.
:3 Nice links. I found some interesting books at my library that I'm going to check out on Monday (The bell rang and too many people were at checkout)
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