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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:42 pm
yaaaaayy, tee hee, friendly topic! *flashes victory sign against a groovy tie-die background with cute flowers, smiles, hearts and stars floating amist*
*smiles hard*
*scares the people* gonk
So, plainly put, what is YOUR motivation, or your reason(s) for debating abortion? This is not reasons why you chose your position, it's just why you'd care to bother debating your views. This is just one of those ice-breaking topics I came up with in the last minute.
So...Why do you debate?
Here's Grippy's motivations for bothering going into this whole debate thing..
- Mostly, I'm in it for the information. To explore ideas. Foremost, I like to explore the ideological ramifications that drives the two positions (pro-life, pro-choice), and the effects that such a decision could make on society. What can I say- I'm a girl thirsty for knowledge... thirsty for ideas.
- I want to drench myself more about the issue of abortion and other issues related to it. You can always learn something new...everyday. I feel so compelled to saturate myself about the abortion issue because I feel it's strongly tied to women's rights. Since I'm a woman.. it brings the issue to a more personal level. Still, it's not my most significant issue I like to talk about.
- I see "facts" which contradict themselves when comparing both sides of the debate. So I know someone's got to be lieing. I feel a certain kind of anger when I am confronted with a lie. It's not the person's fault who presented it, but whoever came up with dubious information in the first place. I feel anger not neccessarily because it's so easy to rock my boat, but because I remembered a time when it was easier for me to believe a lie. I felt so stupid, cheap, and duped when something I felt to be true ended up being a lie. I feel that lieing hurts especially the most vulnerable people, so thinking about that makes me feel a type of anger. I would just like to get the the "nitty gritty" when it comes to the "facts" about this controversial issue. I don't even care if the data-supported truth supports either pro-life or pro-choice in the end... But yea... I can't say I trust many internet websites.
- I just like to have more thoughtful discussions? It's an absolute waste of my time to be on the internet if it doesn't help edify my life in some way. But then again, I also get on the internet to have fun. Life is too short to bust your veins/arterys/other gory body parts over an internet abortion dicsussion, eh?
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:34 pm
I debate abortion because its something I feel strongly about... You know its all about the passion. ( blaugh ). Sometimes you've just got to... Fight for what you believe in I suppose. >.<
Abortion is also something I know enough about to get by in debates without making myself look like a moron(Ive tried to do those political debates... No, -never ever- again will I ever put myself into one of those willingly) And because of the fact that Ive got the passion for it, its easy for me to spend hours researching and looking up new information on it when I need to. ^^
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:06 pm
I do it for a combination of those reasons. I feel very strongly that women should have the right to abortion, but I also want to hear all the arguments, and test all the ideas. I want to see if I really am right.
Sometimes I worry about the fact that I don't know everything, that there's something I'm missing--something I can't refute, or that I can't identify as opinion. So far, I haven't come across any arguments like that--so I am pro-choice with a passion.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:38 pm
Because I believe strongly in the cause of pro-choice, and because I find debating to be most enjoyable.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:04 pm
Because I love to bicker. It calms me. Makes me happy. And, abortion, I find is the easiest thing to debate. I also like to make people into fools, and if I argu my point correctly, I can do that. twisted
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:56 am
Well, the first time I ever clicked on an abortion thread I found it was filled with lies and misconception from both sides, so I systematically went through the thread and corrected all of these. Since then I got into the habit of knocking down all poor arguments, even those of the pro-choice ideology. Eventually I just settled into defending the pro-choice position because the valid points, the wheat that was left after I blew all the chaff away, was most congruent with my own personal ideology and way of thinking. Also because I've never really come up against a pro-life argument that I agreed with.
I was pro-choice to begin with, but it isn't even debated where I live so I didn't know a lot about it. Since I came to ED I started becoming involved in abortion debates and solidified my position.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:31 pm
i do it because i am all passionate and i love to learn and hear other peoples veiws on such a heated topic. ninja
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:52 pm
For annoying the other side, because there's really no point to debate. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:50 am
It's a subject I'm passionate about, plus when I'm older I plan on taking it to court. So my debating here and other various sites is mostly prep-work, refining arguements and all that fun stuff. I really don't expect to change anyone's mind.
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 2:25 pm
I debate because I believe women should have the right to control their bodies. I believe it's inhumane for a man on Capitol Hill to decide whether or not women should have a right to such a simple thing as their reproductive organs.
To me, anti-choicers are trying to make out that women should be ashamed and punished for wanting a sex life, and the ability to make a choice on whether or not to have a child. Quite frankly, this sickens me.
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 2:41 pm
When I debated, the reason was because I enjoyed the... Hmm.. I guess you'd call it the battle. I liked fighting the good fight, I enjoyed attempting to match minds with people, and sharpening my own skills against them. That, and smack... Er, correcting, those whose arguments weren't based on anything. I'm sorry, but I have to argue on this point: MipsyKitten To me, anti-choicers are trying to make out that women should be ashamed and punished for wanting a sex life, and the ability to make a choice on whether or not to have a child. Quite frankly, this sickens me.
Not ashamed and punished for wanting a sex life, or even on the choice as to whether you do or do not have a child. Not even ashamed necessarily, and definitely not punished. We are just saying that you shouldn't be able to kill another human being for your convenience. If you want to have a sex life, fine; But take responsibility for your actions. If you don't want to have a child under any circumstances, no way no how, fine. Don't have a sex life. And please don't call us anti-Choice unless you want to be called anti-Life; Or the synonym, pro-Death. This guild, at least when I used to debate here, was created for fair and honorable debate. Not slander, not name calling, not debate based on stereotypes and assumptions about the other side.
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:03 pm
Because, having been in the postion to need an abortion, I would never deny the chance of abortion to another woman. It would be hypocritical of me to tell a woman she doesn't qualify for medical treatment based on its type and a morality she may not have. I also believe that it is no one's business what a woman may do with the contents of her uterus, and that people should kindly remove their noses from a woman's v****a.
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 8:17 pm
I debate because I feel very strongly that illegalizing abortion would be tantamount to reproductive slavery.
I also feel that the assaults in law on bodily integrity should be very concerning to everyone, for reasons far beyond abortion.
I have to admit, I enjoy conflict a bit. And debating with other intelligent people gives me an opportunity to expand and evolve my position, as well as an opportunity to improve my debating capacity.
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 6:47 am
I.Am And please don't call us anti-Choice unless you want to be called anti-Life; Or the synonym, pro-Death. This guild, at least when I used to debate here, was created for fair and honorable debate. Not slander, not name calling, not debate based on stereotypes and assumptions about the other side. Sorry, but I didn't aim that at anyone specificaly in this guild or anywhere else. You chose to take it that way. I have no qualms with being called anti-life or pro-death, because I know I am neither. Not once did I attack anyone, instead, you are questioning me on how I've seen things to be a million times before. You're trying to find something that isn't there.
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:59 pm
I suppose when I did debate, it's because it's an issue I care about. I don't know why, but I feel it is my obligation to speak up for my beliefs, even when most people around me tell me I'm wrong for it. I've been flamed, ignored, and written off due to my prolife stance, and I suppose debating just helps me get the frustration out of my system.
Wow. There it is. Sorry, I've actually been asking myself for awhile because I hate arguing, I hate interacting with people, I hate basically everything there is to debating. But there it is, I suppose it's the reassurance. I avoid the term "pro-death" because I don't believe it's true, just like I don't believe "anti-choice" fits prolifers. I mean, there are many people who are prochoice but don't like abortion, they just don't want the government having any say. I avoid the term anti-choice because I kinda like making my own choices and I CERTAINLY do NOT take kindly to people who try to keep women in chains because they are women. And if I chose to have sex, that would be my right.
I meet people who see the issues in black and white...who see on one side, sluts who just want sex, on the other, bible-hugging women-opressing slobs. I however can't see the world like that, and I suppose I speak out only because I want other people to be able to see that it isn't so....stereotypical. I meet other people who're able to see that as well and I enjoy knowing I'm not crazy thinking, "You can value life and be prochoice, and you can value choice and be prolife."
I expect that if I don't listen to someone, they won't listen to me. I like debating with people who listen and don't just say "You're wrong, you just want to hurt women!!!!" because I personally don't say, "You're wrong, you just want to have irresponsible sex!!!!" Debating gives me a chance to listen to people and discuss real points, not just feel good about saying them and making fun of other people. For that there is a place called ED.... xd
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