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CurioHeart

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:31 am


I'm sure that some of you are taking a look at this thread just to figure out what the three words in the title mean. Most people wouldn't even begin to know where to look for such a thing, though I'm sure a few would at least try Wikipedia for the information- but you will not find anything there regarding that short, simple phrase, yet you still want to know what it means.

Reyn til Rûna

If you decided to take a look at this thread because you were curious of the title, then you have already indulged in your curiosity, your desire to learn, your need to know. None of these things in and of themselves are a bad thing, but they can lead to some truly frightening mental positions. However, it is also these three words that are the driving force behind my mentality now, and they are becoming more and more so with each passing day.

Reyn til Rûna

In Old Norse, the phrase means, “Seek toward the Mysteries!” It is a phrase that is rarely used- even a thousand years ago, it was rare- and the depth that it reaches is astounding.


Rune-Gild
Rûna is the Hidden in the World, and the Sense of the Hidden lying within the depths of the Self.


To break it down even further, Reyn til Rûna is not only expressing a desire to discover what mysteries there are around us, but those that are within us as well.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:33 am


In Norse mythology, the cosmos are summed up in what is known as Yggdrasil (orig. Yggdrasill, trans. "Odin" [Ygg] "Horse" [Drasill]; meaning "Horse of Odin" or "Odin's Horse), or the World-Tree. The World-Tree is normally depicted as an Ash tree of absolutely massive proportions, though it can also be depicted as a steed with eight legs. Each of these legs touches one of eight worlds, with the body centered on the world in which we live. The world tree does something similar, but with roots and branches instead. For the use that I have, I will be using the Tree version of it instead.

If you can, take a piece of paper and a pen or pencil and draw five circles in a line on the paper, from top to bottom. Label the top one "Asgard" ("Home of the Gods"), the second one "Alfheim" ("Home of the Elves"), the third "Midgard" ("Middle Earth"), then "Svartalfheim"("Home of the Dark Elves"), and finally "Hel" ("Dead"). To either side of the one labeled "Alfheimr" and above Midgard, draw one more circle- one on the left, one on the right. On one side, label it "Niflheim" ("Home of Ice"), and on the other, "Muspelheim" ("Home of Fire"). Underneath Muspelheim and below Midgard, draw another circle; label this one "Jotunheim" ("Home of Giants"). Draw another circle directly across from Jotunheim and label it "Vanaheim".

Now, I'm sure you're wanting to know why I'm wanting you to draw this, or even how this relates to my philosophy. I'm doing this to show you something, and you will see what that is shortly.

Draw a roughly human figure on another sheet of paper- or on the back of that sheet, whichever you may prefer. At the head of the person, write Asgard; at the collarbone, Alfheim; Midgard at the navel; Svartalfheim at the groin region; Hel on the ground between the figure's feet. By one hand, write Muspelheim; by the other, Niflheim. Jotunheim and Vanaheim are to be labeled by the corresponding feet, as was done with the circles in the last drawing.

Is it coincidence that the Nine Worlds in Norse mythos can be associated with certain areas of the body? No, it's not. Each of the five vertical worlds is associated with particular levels of thought processes, and were thus able to be associated with particular areas of the body.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:35 am


Asgard represents the highest level of thought, hence its representation at the head of the body. Those who could think at the "Asgard" level of thought were often considered to be the most spiritual people in Norse mythology. Asgard also contains the spirits of those who go to Valhalla, though those who actually make it that far are few and far between. The people who make it to Valhalla are those who have shown themselves willing to sacrifice not only everything they have, but everything that they are and can have toward the "greater good" of the people. However, it takes far more than just that. It also takes the willingness, ability, desire, and actually exploration of the Self to expand and grow as an individual.

Alfheim is often related to the logical thinking that most people use; the people who are regularly thinking at this level are often extraordinarily good at deductive reasoning as well as math and the sciences. Elves are considered to be a very logical race in ancient mythology, an extremely thought-filled breed with seemingly little connection to the more earthly realms. Often, they seem highly intelligent though they lack in what we would refer to as "common sense." This is also where the term "Elf-struck" stems from; an individual who has been "elf-struck" is often no longer able to think properly or form a coherent thought; the Norse believed that this is because an Elf "struck" it out of them because the person angered the elf-spirits. As far as I know right now, it lies at the collarbone because it belongs between Asgard and Midgard; if you take a look at Buddhist Chakras, the collarbone is also a high-energy area.

Midgard is more of the "gut" thinking of humanity (hence its location). It consists of the instinctive, survivalistic thought processes that occur on a day-to-day basis within each of us; unfortunately, this is also where most of humanity is stuck even though they express a desire to move beyond this region. However, the desire is not enough. They have to actually will themselves to make the effort toward the growth necessary for the other methods of thinking.

Svartalfheim, though it is translated as "Dark Elf Home", is the home of what we would now call dwarves. Herein lies the Creative functions of the mind- and the body, as expressed by the second picture that I asked you to draw. It is this "world", so to speak, that all creative forces are derived- from stories to inventions, from painting to dancing, from sketches to music- and just about everything in between. As such, it is associated with the loins because of their inherently creative nature; through the act of sex (which, I might add, is not a bad thing even outside of marriage, contrary to what modern monotheism would like for us to believe), a new life is created. Dwarves are often told of being very "down-to-earth" despite the fact that they've never been particularly bright. They are also the source of many of our nightmares, according the the ancient Norse; as with the elves, it is entirely possible to aggravate a dwarf, though it can cause either nightmare or some kind of artisan's block- writer's block is one of the most commonly heard of.

Hel, the Land of the Dead in Norse Mythology, is often incorrectly assumed to be a misspelling of the Christian "Hell"; it is, in fact, exactly the opposite. "Hell" is a direct derivative of the Nordic Hel, though the meaning was twisted so that the Christians could more effectively control those who followed their beliefs. There is nothing particularly bad or dangerous in Hel, as the Christians would try to make you believe. In Norse mythos, Hel is nothing more than one of the resting places of the dead; it where you would go to communicate with someone who had died and did not make it to Asgard to stay with the Gods and Goddesses. This is also where the vast majority of people go upon their death. From what I have seen in my research, Hel is not directly associated with any particular type of thought, as it is a place of communication with the dead.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:44 am


Now here is where the creation myth comes in- and where things start to get interesting.

According to the creation myth of the Nordic peoples, Midgard was created when Surtr, the ruler of Muspelheim, sent a fiery wave towards Niflheim in an effort to destroy it. Purely by accident, this violent action caused a "medium" of temperature between the two world- one of fire, one of ice- in which life could exist. The act of Surtr's attempted destruction of the realm of ice- which, I might add, failed- in turn created two new worlds: Jotunheim, a land of constant kinetic energy and occasional and very sudden massive shifts; and Vanaheim, a realm of organic material that adapts to the changes caused by Jotunheim.

Jotunheim, represented by one of your feet, is also represented by your bones; they are hard, rock-like creations that hold up your otherwise flaccid body- the other representation of Vanaheim. Your body is wholly organic, though your bones are more rocky than they are living like the tissue that comprises your skin, organs and muscles.

"Where does all of this crap fit in with your philosophy?!" is one question that I'm sure some of you are asking right about now.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:06 am


Well, here is the reason why I posted all of that seemingly useless information before this: Much of my philosophy revolves around all of that, though my philosophy is not wholly Nordic.

What I have done is not only work to fill your mind with odd bits of knowledge, but to be able to show you something. Each of the nine worlds is representative of something in our world and in ourselves. Asgard is represented not only by our head, but by the "heavens" above us; Asgard is the sky around us. Alfheim is the air in which we breathe. Midgard is the world on which we walk. Svartalfheim expresses the underground caverns that we have explored- and those we have yet to find. Finally, Hel is the underworld that exists out of our reach- and why many of us bury our dead in the ground.

What of the other four worlds? Each of them represents a particular element in Norse mythos, which notably differs from the elements of other mythologies: Muspelheim, fire; Niflheim, ice; Vanaheim, organic life; Jotunheim, earth and rocks.

Now, I'm sure that some of you are wondering why those are used for the elements instead of the "traditional" earth, wind, fire, and water. Here is a quick and easy explanation of this: Out of fire and ice come warmth and water, which life needs to survive. Fire drives the earth to change despite its desire to be unchanging, which, in turn, forces life to adapt to these changes and grow again.

Now, take all of these things and put them together.

It takes a balance of hot and cold to make it warm enough for us to survive, hence why we have an average body temperature to live healthily. Changes occur both within and without our bodies and minds, which force us to adapt and to grow. This growth often causes a change in thought-patterns, regardless of the direction that it shifts. In turn, this shift in thought-patterns causes additional changes within us, again causing us to adapt to these changes.

Bringing all of this into perspective, Norse mythology is little more than a different take on psychology that what most of us are accustomed to. It is more simplistic than modern psychology in many ways, and is also much more discrete to those who can't for the life of them figure out how to interpret it.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:28 am


Rob Preece
Several years ago, in Italy, I was part of a group of Western students participating in a program of teaching and initiations given by a high Tibetan lama. There was an almost tangible energy of excitement in the atmosphere, and several young Englishmen seemed particularly enthralled and captivated by the power of what was happening. I began to notice however that they had intense mood swings. While they had great inspiration and enthusiasm for the Dharma teaching, they seemed to have great difficulty relating to more worldly demands, particularly with respect to how they were going to live and work. They took part in the empowerment into some particularly powerful tantric practices, and appeared to become highly charged by the energy generated. However, they high they felt seemed disconnected from reality.

Some weeks later, back in England, I received a phone call from a relative of one of these young Englishmen asking if I knew of anywhere that would help him, as he had gone into a psychosis. This did not surprise me, and I was aware that few mental hospitals would grasp the peculiarity of his experience. This sad tale demonstrates how important it is to have a clear sense of identity, a stable ego, before starting to practice Tantra. It also confirms my belief that some people would benefit from a psychotherapeutic experience before becoming involved so intensively in Tantra.


My philosophies, though a combination of the aspects of Christianity, Judaism and Paganism- and is currently primarily based in Nordic mythos- are both extremely therapeutic to me and extremely dangerous to any who are not prepared to walk down a similar path to me. I regularly play around with my energy and am beginning to learn about the Norse Runes, which, once I truly get into it, will eventually allow me to do things which most people would view as impossible for any human to do. This is also extremely dangerous and can cause the very same type of reaction described above by Rob Preece.

CurioHeart

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CurioHeart

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:32 am


I'm sure that some of you noticed that the quote in the first post was from something called the "Rune-Gild". For those of you wondering, the people in the Rune-Gild are Odinians- people who seek not to worship Odin, but to emulate him. They are called the "Rune-Gild" because part of what they do is Runework; something that works in a similar fashion to spells and prayers of other religions. Numbers, like in so many religions, are extremely important to Odinnic cults like the Rune-Gild. Though I have yet to go through all of the reading that I desire to for it, I do plan on joining the Gild sometime in the near future- not because it is a religion, but because it is a part of my past and my future.

Do I believe in reincarnation? Most certainly. I can already tell you that I am the second incarnation of a rune-wizard who also specialized in prophecy. This is something that I plan on exploring further.

Do I believe that there is a single, all-powerful being? No, I don't. I believe that there are two; one male, one female. If there is only a god, then how are women created after the image of a male? If there is no goddess, then how can we possibly believe through blind faith that a single god innately knew which organs to make within a woman to allow the man to reproduce? In my eyes, this is simple; there has to have been a goddess.

Do I believe that the world is going to end in 2012? It's not going to end, but it will have changed so drastically, so suddenly that it will simply be the end of the world as we know it. We have already experienced one massive upheaval in this world when Christianity and Catholicism managed to turn their foothold into a stranglehold on every other religion in the world roughly 1,000 years ago. It is time for another such shift. Christianity is already on its downward spiral; it's now only a matter of time before it returns to the small cult that is was in its early days.

No religion every fully disappears. There will always be followers of each religion, regardless of unjust persecution and indignation by other cultures. It is my hope, however, that people will turn to viewing religions like Christianity not as something that turns them into a self-sacrificial, self-proclaimed martyr, but as a lifestyle to take up and to use to grow.

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For those of you who took the time to read all seven posts that open this thread, thank you for taking the time and having the patience to bear with me on my rather wordy conquest. It was broken up not to increase my post count more quickly, but because it would be an overwhelmingly long post if I hadn't done so. I would rather have it be spread out over several posts and give you good breaking points than to have a headache of a post for you to sift through.

For those of you who actually took the time to read this, feel free to post your thoughts and comments; I will be around to discuss it.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:12 am


Very interesting information, but as I heard it, most anyone that died in battle went to Valhalla in Asgard and Hel was the resting place of those who died from old age or disease, and that it was something of a punishment for not dying in battle. The goddess, Hel, half rotten corpse and half beautiful woman well exemplified the realm named for her.
As for what you believe yourself to be, as you've likely guessed, I do not believe it, as I would need proof, and to my understanding, this is quite impossible to prove.
As for the worlds you mentioned, I might suggest that you edit in a scan or two, as the description of the placement is a bit confusing. I also wanted to ask if you believe them to be alternate planes or parallel universes, or are they purely demonstrative?

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CurioHeart

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:28 am


Essentially, yes, you are correct about those who make it to Valhalla, but you also need to remember that not all of the Norse people were warriors. Like every other civilization, the vast majority of the population served other purposes; healers, scholars, agriculturists, and herdsmen were also wholly necessary. Valhalla still, for every reason listed above, remains to be a resting place for the valiant "elite" who managed to make it that far.

As you figured, I did not expect you to believe it- in fact, I don't really expect much of anyone to believe it until they've seen it in action. Most of the mythos behind all of this is quite indistinct, and I probably won't even begin to learn the vast majority of it until I can join the Rune-Gild. What I have done and seen, though, is far from fake even though I am still very much a novice at this.

I do plan on doing a small demonstration of energy play via MSN webcam on the 26th for those who are interested; if it is something that you would like to see, send me a pm and I'll give you the contact information. Hopefully it will turn out well for providing some kind of evidence for some of what I say I can do.

While I have no scanner that I can use for creating the images that I ask to be made while reading through the opening bulk, I can create a photoshop/paint image that will show the first and photoshop a different image for the second. While I won't be working on that tonight, I will be doing so tomorrow after completing my homework.

And to answer your question, I do not believe them to be alternate planes or a parallel universe; they are very much demonstrative, though I can already give you the two objects that gave them the "world of fire" and "world of ice"; look at the sun and moon. In our sky, what do they look like? A world of fire and a world of ice. Our planet would appear to be somewhere in between them (for the most part), so it wouldn't be a bad assumption to believe that it would take a happy medium between fire and ice for our planet to survive just like it takes the same kind of balance for us to survive.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:34 am


Eliae Darr
Essentially, yes, you are correct about those who make it to Valhalla, but you also need to remember that not all of the Norse people were warriors. Like every other civilization, the vast majority of the population served other purposes; healers, scholars, agriculturists, and herdsmen were also wholly necessary. Valhalla still, for every reason listed above, remains to be a resting place for the valiant "elite" who managed to make it that far.

As you figured, I did not expect you to believe it, and I don't ever expect you to. Most of the mythos behind all of this is quite indistinct, and I probably won't even begin to learn the vast majority of it until I can join the Rune-Gild. What I have done and seen, though, is far from fake.
I do plan on doing a small demonstration of energy play via MSN webcam on the 26th for those who are interested; if it is something that you would like to see, send me a pm and I'll give you the contact information. Hopefully it will turn out well for providing some kind of evidence for some of what I say I can do.
While I have no scanner that I can use for creating the images that I ask to be made while reading through the opening bulk, I can create a photoshop/paint image that will show the first and photoshop a different image for the second. While I won't be working on that tonight, I will be doing so tomorrow after completing my homework.
And to answer your question, I do not believe them to be alternate planes or a parallel universe; they are very much demonstrative, though I can already give you the two objects that gave them the "world of fire" and "world of ice"; look at the sun and moon. In our sky, what do they look like? A world of fire and a world of ice. Our planet would appear to be somewhere in between them (for the most part), so it wouldn't be a bad assumption to believe that it would take a happy medium between fire and ice for our planet to survive just like it takes the same kind of balance for us to survive.

I am interested in seeing over web-cam but far more convincing would be seeing it in person. If you get some time off work and can somehow manage it, it would be great if we could meet at a cafe around here sometime. If memory serves, you aren't too terribly far from where I live.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:41 am


Matasoga
I am interested in seeing over web-cam but far more convincing would be seeing it in person. If you get some time off work and can somehow manage it, it would be great if we could meet at a cafe around here sometime. If memory serves, you aren't too terribly far from where I live.

While you are correct in saying that it would be far more convincing in person, it may be a while before I can get out that way. In any case, though, what the webcam session will mostly be showing is the usage of energy to distort images. I'm not sure how subtle or obvious it will be, but if I can pull enough energy that night, then I should be able to make it at least somewhat visible in at least a couple of different ways- namely as a distortion between my hands and (hopefully) as a distortion around my body that somewhat resembles an "aura."
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:48 pm


Well, Josh, I was talking to the guy that I get some of my information from on Thursday- and the one who introduced me to Norse mythology- and I got a bit more accurate of a description of Asgard and Hel in my conversation.

Asgard isn't just the home to Valhalla. There are a total of twelve different "heavens" within it, and I would assume that which one you go to is entirely dependant on which aspect of their culture you were most focused on. For instance, someone who was a follower of the goddess Freyja and was more of a prophet than a warrior would find Valhalla to be a kind of "hell," so to speak; there would be no-one there that they have anything in common with. As of yet, I don't know the names of the other 11 "cities" in Asgard- and yes, Valhalla is technically a city.

Hel, on the other hand, isn't just one big "melting pot." It consists of three "layers," your life depending on which one you go to.

One of the layers consists of those who did nothing with their lives, essentially proving their uselessness in life. It is there that those spirits return to be "absorbed" or "dissolved" back into "spirit-stuff" to be reformed later on, hopefully into someone who won't waste their life.

Another layer is what we would consider to be a "heaven within hell," as it is simply the land of rest where the vast majority of spirits go when they die. There is nothing bad about this level of Hel; it's just a place for them to exist, presumably similarly to how they lived here.

The third layer is one which consists of the cruel and malignant people whose sole desire was to do ill, however that may be. This is the resting place of the people who share many of the qualities of snakes, rats, and some of the more vicious insects- like the praying mantis. This is probably the layer that the Christian theology got it's idea of "hell" from, though the only suffering on this layer is the suffering that its inhabitants inflict upon themselves as they repeatedly tear each other apart.

I will be adding the names of each of these areas as I find them.

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annaastrid

PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:39 pm


I'm Anna's partner, Mandy (username Mandy811 on here) and I'm a Heathen....meaning, of course, that the mythos of which you speak is my faith...a very real part of my life. I was once a devout follower of Freyja, but of course, as these things go, we've gone our separate ways, etc. No matter.

I'm really very curious about your explanation of our creation myth.


"According to the creation myth of the Nordic peoples, Midgard was created when Surtr, the ruler of Muspelheim, sent a fiery wave towards Niflheim in an effort to destroy it. Purely by accident, this violent action caused a "medium" of temperature between the two world- one of fire, one of ice- in which life could exist. The act of Surtr's attempted destruction of the realm of ice- which, I might add, failed- in turn created two new worlds: Jotunheim, a land of constant kinetic energy and occasional and very sudden massive shifts; and Vanaheim, a realm of organic material that adapts to the changes caused by Jotunheim. "


I'd loooooove to see where you got this. Can you document where in the Eddas this appears? I'm not trying to tell you I'm the one-and-only authority here (there are none) but we Heathens definitely love our proof (please excuse that tendency) and unless my knowledge of Voluspa fails me, I can't remember the poet ever mentioning *anything* about Surt or fiery waves or the attempt to destroy *anything* before Ragnarok.

And as a point of correction - Valhalla, the hall of Odinn, is reserved simply for the bravest (i.e. craziest) warrior elite and/or devotees of Odinn. I'm not sure I ever remember anything self-sacrificing being mentioned in the Eddas, but again, if you have the sources...

Please edify me. smile
PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:01 pm


annaastrid
"According to the creation myth of the Nordic peoples, Midgard was created when Surtr, the ruler of Muspelheim, sent a fiery wave towards Niflheim in an effort to destroy it. Purely by accident, this violent action caused a "medium" of temperature between the two world- one of fire, one of ice- in which life could exist. The act of Surtr's attempted destruction of the realm of ice- which, I might add, failed- in turn created two new worlds: Jotunheim, a land of constant kinetic energy and occasional and very sudden massive shifts; and Vanaheim, a realm of organic material that adapts to the changes caused by Jotunheim. "

I'd loooooove to see where you got this. Can you document where in the Eddas this appears? I'm not trying to tell you I'm the one-and-only authority here (there are none) but we Heathens definitely love our proof (please excuse that tendency) and unless my knowledge of Voluspa fails me, I can't remember the poet ever mentioning *anything* about Surt or fiery waves or the attempt to destroy *anything* before Ragnarok.


I can't seem to recall if I mentioned this yet or not, but I'm still very much in the early stages of exploring the Odinnic path- and am still very much lacking in my Norse mythology as well. I will, however, say that you might be able to find further information about this via the Prose Edda, but there's no guarantee yet. I still need to get my a** back in gear to finish up the Poetic.

Nevertheless, my current mentor is far more knowledgeable in this field right now, and I should be seeing him tomorrow morning. I'll see what I can get out of him as to where this is located and I'll update you a bit more then.


annaastrid
And as a point of correction - Valhalla, the hall of Odinn, is reserved simply for the bravest (i.e. craziest) warrior elite and/or devotees of Odinn. I'm not sure I ever remember anything self-sacrificing being mentioned in the Eddas, but again, if you have the sources...

Please edify me. smile


As I put in my last post, Asgard is more than just the world for Valhalla. From my understanding of what he was telling me (and I'm going to see about getting him to join Gaia soon), Asgard contains twelve separate "heavens" in which the "elite few" rest, of which Valhalla is but one. I'm still working towards getting more information on the other eleven.

Also, I do believe that a clarification of what I meant by "self-sacrificing." That was not stated to imply that they killed themselves; it was stated more as a descriptive method of saying that they were brave enough to step forward and step out to fight for the betterment of their community and died in the process; or, more simply put, sacrificed themselves in battle to preserve their people.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:24 am


annaastrid
I'd loooooove to see where you got this. Can you document where in the Eddas this appears?

As promised, I discussed this with my mentor; the information regarding Surt's attempted destruction of Niflheim is somewhere in the Prose Edda. If you don't have a copy of the Prose Edda on hand, here's where you can find it.
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