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PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:14 am


The short story is that a woman in New Mexico is suing a nurse for removing an IUD without her consent and refusing to put it back in. Read the following news and commentary for more (not just the excerpts, click the links!).

This appears to be the original source: (Courthouse News Service) Woman Says Anti-Abortion Nurse Removed IUD Without Permission, Then Lectured Her

Statements made by nurse Olona
Having the IUD come out was a good thing [because] I personally do not like IUDs. I feel they are a type of abortion. I don't know how you feel about abortion, but I am against them. ...What the IUD does is take the fertilized egg and pushes it out of the uterus.

Everyone in the office always laughs and tells me I pull these out on purpose because I am against them, but it's not true, they accidentally come out when I tug.

(Emphasis added.)

This is horrifying. As several blogs and their commenter below have pointed out, IUD users are specifically instructed NOT to tug the strings. Just looking at an IUD, it seems that forcibly removing like that could cause severe damage to the uterus. Comment #8 on the Pharyngula blog suggests that she be charged with rape for doing something inside a woman's body without her consent. I wouldn't go so far as to make that comparison, but this is undeniably assualt. My mother (an RN) has assured me that this woman will be sued and lose her job, but with these new "provider consceinece" regulations, I just don't know. Even still, it can never make up for the fact that she has harmed and violated this woman. I don't know how anyone could trust a healthcare provider knowing that they can do such things. It's an absolute betrayal and an abuse of power.

*sigh* The links below pretty much say it all.

Commentary seen on the following blogs:

Pharyngula: They have a conscientious need to control your ovaries.

PZ Myers of Pharyngula
If you want to see the consequences of the recent wave of attempts to endorse "provider conscience rules", in which health care providers are permitted to freely exercise their whims and biases in providing clients and patients their services, read this story. As usual, it's all about controlling the reproductive choices of women: we've had politicians blocking access to Plan B contraception; laws that would allow doctors to deny care if it was against their religious beliefs; and pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions. Beyond simply passive denial of giving a patient what they need, though, we now have gone to the next step: wingnuts actively removing birth control devices against the patient's will.
[...]
Ladies, welcome to your future. A future in which others will decide whether you may have children or not. Don't worry, though: they will never say "not". And don't feel like your choices will be taken out of your hands, you still have a choice. If you don't want to get pregnant, just never have sex, you slut.


Feministing: Anti-choice nurse removes women's IUDs "accidently"

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Feministe: Whoops! Anti-Choice Nurse “Accidentally” Pulls Out Women’s IUDs

Cara of Feministe
First of all, there’s no proof that an IUD does in fact have this effect on a fertilized egg — and the argument that it does is rather similar to those made by anti-choicers about emergency contraception and other hormonal birth control also being the same as abortion. Which is pretty ironic, since the nurse doesn’t seem to have a problem with those kinds of contraception.

Secondly, the nurse admits not only to having pulled out the IUD, but also to having done it repeatedly in the past.
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Even Planned Parenthood’s website states in big bold letters that you should not tug on the strings. So I feel like that had to have been taught at some point when the nurse was first being instructed on how to shorten the IUD strings. I also feel that even if it hadn’t been taught, she would have figured it out by now and stopped doing it if removing the IUD was not her intention. Not that the practice she works for seems to give a s**t either way. (Oh, that silly Nurse Olona! Always pulling out patients’ IUDs without their consent, tee-hee!)

Of course, if the nurse is so opposed to IUDs, she’s also perfectly free to find another line of work. Or, since she works for a practice, to kindly ask another nurse to take the appointment from her. Or, ludicrous though it may sound, to divorce her personal feelings about IUDs and “abortion” from her job, and to just do it properly without assaulting women.

Personally, like Lauredhel, I’m concerned with why Olona hasn’t been charged criminally as well as civilly. And the really scary thing is that while the practice she works for has made the unforgivable error of letting this nurse keep her job, under the new HHS rule — which goes into effect tomorrow and protects anti-choice health care workers from employer “discrimination” based on their personally-determined definitons of abortion — a publicly funded clinic just might not be able to fire her.

As RH Reality Check also questions, how bad are things going to get once the regulation is in effect if health care providers are already so severely breaking the rules and violating patients’ rights now?

(Emphasis original)

RH Reality Check: Ooops....She Did It Again: Anti-Contraception Nurse Takes Women's Wombs into Her Own Hands
Jodi Jacobson of RH Reality Check
This is the United States of America.

You know....that beacon of freedom for the entire world.

That bastion of excellence in everything. The country that likes to think it sets the standard.

So you might think that when you go to a medically-trained doctor or nurse seeking to have your IUD adjusted, the fact that they were trained and certified as medical professionals in a field with clear standards and the fact that you live in a democracy that prides itself on leading the world in human rights (or used to) your wish simply to have the small problem you are experiencing with your IUD fixed would be respected.

You might be wrong.

Now, apparently, nurses and doctors feel empowered to decide for you whether contraceptives are ok, which ones, if any, you are allowed to use, and when you will stop using them irrespective of your wishes. Not because of any medical reason. Just because that particular provider does not like that particular method. Or any method of contraception. Or maybe anything having to do with sex or sexuality. It's enough that s/he just does not like your choices.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:47 pm


What a complete and utter...

I don't even have words for my rage right now.


I'm so glad I live in Australia and will NEVER live in America ever ever ever.

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Nayva

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:47 pm


Well, first of all, the new regulations permit people to refuse to supply services to people, not to forcibly remove things against their will. It seems completely different to me, and so I don't think she'll be protected by it.
Plus, since she's done it repeatedly in the past... that was before these regulations anyway, so hopefully if they protect her current actions, they won't protect her past actions.
But still, this is beyond unbelievable. I really do hope she loses her job. Do nurses have to take the oath, too, or is it just doctors? Because I would think that tugging out people's IUDs without consent is 'doing harm.'
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:44 pm


True, that's technically not denying a service. It's forcibly removing a service so she shouldn't have a chance. But refusing to provide her with another one is denying a service and she didn't even seem to care about referring her patient to a competent doctor/nurse who would give her another IUD.

I don't know if nurses have to take that oath, actually. My mom just told me that this woman would definately be sued and I think she also said that she would lose her job. I sure as hell hope so! To have someone remove something from your body by taking advantage of your trust and vulnerability is just... I don't even know how to describe that.

PhaedraMcSpiffy


Fran Salaska

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:16 pm


If they accidentally come out, can't she accidentally put them back in again? Or say "sorry, I've pulled out your IUD, I'll just have to put it back in for you"? Are the patients not even TOLD that their IUD has been removed? Seriously, what kind of s**t is this?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:19 pm


There are some people who I believe shouldn't have children (like stupid people who clearly can't care for them but still want one someday). My own feelings do not give me the right to go around ripping out the reproductive organs of stupid people to keep them from breeding. I have no right to force my morals on other people, and neither does this woman. I won't hide birth control pills in the food of stupid people, and I won't support laws that limit who is allowed to have kids.


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RedRoseSpiral

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:32 pm


I found the official court paper work for this case.

Court Case

Pretty ******** up s**t right there.

*shakes her head and thinks how wonderful it'll be when she leaves the US)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:32 pm


*Reads the title*

*Reads it again*

What a load of complete bullshit...

So, let me get this straight, just to make sure I read right: a nurse removed a woman's IUD, without the consent of said woman, because she was personally against them?

Ok, first of all, according to a contraception pamphlet I got in Health a few years back, this is what an IUD does:

An IUD PREVENTS fertilization of the egg.

In rare cases, if the egg is fertilized, the IUD prevents the egg from attaching to the uterus.

But, if it doesn't attach to the uterus, doesn't that mean that she doesnt get pregnant, or what?

I seriously think the keyword in there is PREVENTS. An egg cannot be fertilized unless there is sperm involved. Also, she mentioned that an IUD is a form of abortion, or at least she feels that way.


But, how is an IUD an abortion if: an abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, and IUD helps to prevent a pregnancy?


Another thing, this is definitley an attack on a woman's rights, and a control of her reproductive system. I uderstand that doctors, nurses and other people will have different moral, ethic, and religious views than the patient, but in my opinion, said moral, religious and ethic views should NOT be allowed in the work force.

...

I'm sorry, let me rephrase that: when treating a patient, a doctor should not use his/her religous, ethic, and/or moral views to do so.

Let me put it this way:

say a woman needed a partial birth abortion (I can't think of any other example, sorry) because she found out that if she gave birth to the kid, a blood vessle would rupture, and she would die, or it would cause other serious, life threatening problems. And the doctor she goes to says no, because he doesn't believe in any form of abortion for that matter.

Or what if a someone needs a surgery of some sort, and the doctors don't do it, because they're personally against them?

Because I think that if a doctor let's his/her ethic views get in the way of trying to save someone's life, or treating a patient, or whatever, it could cause some serious and unwanted damage.  

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:58 pm


What that woman did is wrong on so many levels... I hope she's never allowed to work in the field of medicine again.

I like what marshmallowcreampie said. Just because I think that some people should never be allowed to reproduce doesn't mean that I'm going to take up a job as a gynecologist and "OOPS! i accidentally sterilized you, lololz mai bad!!!11!11one!". I have my opinions, but I'm not going to go around forcing them on people. You never know, some idiot could pop out a kid who winds up being a brilliant individual. surprised
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:19 am


I HAVE an IUD and I can assure you that a "gentle tug" is not enough to cause it to just pop through the cervix. And there's no ******** reason that the nurse even needed to pull the strings.

I would LOVE to see that woman lose her license, but sadly, I'm not sure if this is a grave enough offense. She should at least find herself in front of a regulatory ******** me, if IUDs bother you that much, then tell your practice they need to get someone else to clip the strings. Don't run around assaulting women.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:30 am


String her up!

*has been considering an IUD for some time -- particularly because they're less hassle / cheaper than pills.*
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:52 am


Doooo iiiiiiiit.


Seriously, even with all the hassle it took to find someone to do the insertion (I've never had children, thus the trouble), the rather intense insertion process, and about a week of spotting afterward, my IUD is, hands down, the best choice I ever made in terms of my sexual and reproductive health. And since it's a Paragard, I don't have to worry about birth control again until 2017.

Twenty. Seven. Teen.

I will forever be indebted to the lovely nurse practitioner who went to bat for me over this.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:02 am


Munkers
Doooo iiiiiiiit.


Seriously, even with all the hassle it took to find someone to do the insertion (I've never had children, thus the trouble), the rather intense insertion process, and about a week of spotting afterward, my IUD is, hands down, the best choice I ever made in terms of my sexual and reproductive health. And since it's a Paragard, I don't have to worry about birth control again until 2017.

Twenty. Seven. Teen.

I will forever be indebted to the lovely nurse practitioner who went to bat for me over this.


I am thinking about getting an IUD put in after I give birth this spring. Now that I know that my irregular painful periods and stuff are because of PCOS, I can treat THAT condition with my medication and the IUD shouldn't be a problem.

I am just wondering if people prefer one type of IUD over the other. I mean, is the one with a small amount of hormone in it helpful, or is the one without it better?

Any information would be really helpful!
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:48 pm


Oni no Tenshi
I am thinking about getting an IUD put in after I give birth this spring. Now that I know that my irregular painful periods and stuff are because of PCOS, I can treat THAT condition with my medication and the IUD shouldn't be a problem.

I am just wondering if people prefer one type of IUD over the other. I mean, is the one with a small amount of hormone in it helpful, or is the one without it better?

Any information would be really helpful!


I think it's a really personal decision. I know a lot of women who have the Mirena and love that they're periods are really light or even gone because of it. For me, part of my decision to have an IUD inserted was because I was sick of being on hormones, but was nervous at the thought of using condoms as my sole source of protection.

I have PCOS as well so the added bonus of no hormones means that I can still use FAM to chart my cycles and see if my ovulations are getting more regular. That, and I just think FAM is fascinating to begin with so it's kind of awesome that I can continue to watch and learn my body's signs, but I don't have to rely on them. (Although, I have read that an IUD can alter your cervical mucus so my observations might not be 100% accurate in terms of trying use them for contraceptive purposes, but it's still an incredible learning opportunity. Especially considering the fact that, once/if the boy and I decide to start a family, I've given some thought to using FAM as our contraceptive method.)

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Fran Salaska

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:25 am


@IUD discussion: my sister is having a non-hormonal IUD fitted. She's 22 and has no children. I'm gonna see how it goes for her, but I think I'd get the hormonal one because I've heard that non-hormonal can make your periods heavier, which I reeeeeally don't want. Not having to worry about birth control would be awesome too.
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