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Hmm. My opinion is that you should listen to music that you enjoy (although, I find that Christian music is usually better than secular music). Also, music doesn't deliver you to Jesus... or take you away from Him. If you're trusting your music for your salvation, then you'd probably better read your Bible. No offense, but yeah... although, the Bible says that if you consider something wrong, then it's wrong for you.

Music can influence your attitude, but then so can books. Does that mean you should only read Christian books? If you think that, you're missing out on some good stuff (although, Christian books are also normally better than secular ones).

I don't know what convictions I have. That I should try to use all my tallents for God, and make sure I read my Bible every night? I often find that when there's something I need to say to someone, God will let me know. Often, I've lost sleep because I've had to talk to people. Then, as soon as I've spoken to them, the feeling's gone and I've felt completely peaceful.

If you hadn't noticed, I don't think Christians should only listen to Christian music. Alright, we probably shouldn't listen to, like, Satanic death metal, but why should we not listen to secular music? God can use anything to speak to us. People say not to put God in a box... so why are they? (I'm NOT saying here that it's a bad thing to listen to Christian music. Most of the music I listen to is Christian)

If you like Linkin Park, you'd love Thousand Foot Krutch. And maybe Demon Hunter.

ok this is for everyone this is a question for you. If God were to hear the Lyrics that you listen to in your secular music would He be pleased at all or in any which way.

P.S. He does hear it and do u think it pleases Him stare

xD. He probably is.
Also, there are some songs by Christian artists which aren't really Christian songs. For example, all of Anberlin's songs, and most of Emery's. Are they wrong to listen to?

And, I agree with LOSER. There are songs by Funeral for a Friend that aren't about stuff like that.

I love Christian music. There are so many great bands in it that fit virtually every style. But, I don't believe that all secular bands are bad. There are many secular bands that remain neutral and often have good morals and meanings in their lyrics. There are also many bands that don't openly say that they are a Christian group because of the publicity it brings and they sort of "infiltrate" the world through its heartbeat (music). They use the techninques of subliminals and open pronouns. It is effective, and works to expose positive morals into the world.

The two fingers extended, even without the thumb isn't the satanic symbol. It might have started that way, but the cross started as a symbol for a torture weapon, and look what it is now. I consider the hand gesture you've put there to be a symbol for rock.

Okay, she has stars on her hands. Anyway, if you don't watch that video and just listen to the music it's okay. Same with dc Talk. Anyway, which statanic bands are they assiciated with?

Okay, I guess you're right about the rock salute thing being a salute to Satan in the past. But just because the founder of the Church of Satan used it doesn't mean it's like that forever. The Swastika was used by Hindus before it was used by Hitler. Does that mean every time it's used, it is for protection from evil spirits? No; it's the Nazi sign.

The stars look like stars on that picture. Which song is it?

Okay, so dc Talk said they liked something. They didn't even say they LIKED the video of the monkey, they said they liked some of his work. They didn't say they liked the Closer video. And might I add, crosses were used as torture weapons WAY before they were used for Jesus. They were STILL torture weapons in the Crusades, where the Catholics put them on their shields. It was like running around with an Iron Maiden for protection. So yeah, how is that blasphemous? I'll admit I haven't seen the video so I don't know, but I don't get it from just that picture.

Haha, yes. The Beatles are a wicked secular group. Proof? ...And, dc Talk took something which was probably anti-Christian (the song) and made it good. You know the word Christian was originally an insult?

Okay, they covered a song by a band whose old lead singer had strange decorating habbits. Wow, that's almost like they're not condeming it! Wow, if they don't run around ramming Bibles down people's throats, they must be evil, right? Anyway, why is covering a song by someone who took drugs bad? If they can make the song mean something good, then it's a good thing, right? (That also applies to the chopped up babies thing. Also on the topic of chopped up babies: so, the album has pictures of chopped up babies on. Does that mean the song is made of chopped up babies?). That article seems to be saying "NUUUU, COBAIN'Z EVULZZZ!!!!11111ONEONE", nothing about dc Talk. Well, there is something about dc Talk, but none of it is bad. Only that they're associated with people who are associated with people who are associated with evil. Yeah, we live in a sinful world, I'm sure if you keep making links, everyone's linked to Satan!

I'd like to say again: THEY NEVER SAID THEY LIKED THE VIDEO WITH THE CRUCIFIED MONKEY ON IT. Anyway, if you're talking about it, you must have watched "this kind of blasphemy", right?


Onto the Manson thing: I go to school with non-Christians. And you know what? I've talked about music with some of them! I even discussed music with a Satanist once. Terrible, isn't it?

EDIT: in retrospect, I probably should have used quotes... it would have saved a lot of confusion.
EDITx2: Sorry if some of my points sounded rude. That's how I get my points accross.
EDITx3: Why don't you spend your time arguing against things that are anti-Christian without ANY tennuous links, like The Shack?
EDITx4: How is wanting to discuss 80's music being equally yoked together?
EDITx5: So what's wrong with being with a member of the Church of Satan? Jesus ate with tax collectors and sinners. Is it not the sick that need a doctor?

Overall, I think your post was full of weak excuses, but I'll address them. I mean no disrespect, but we're called to expose heretics in the mainstream.


Dodging my point. The rock salute was never just a "rock" salute. It was always used in rock music as a salute to the "God of Rock." It's never been an okay sign.


Even if they were just stars, they'd still be satanic. Remember Lucifer means "The Morning Star." But these are six-pointed hexagrams, which are occultic, and she's wearing a red robe used in witchcraft. It's from "That's What Love is For."


Touché. However, most of NIN's music is anti-christian, not just that video.


The cross is still an important part of Christianity, and Nine Inch Nails has plenty of other blasphemous things in their music. They don't care if it was used by Rome, they still think they're attacking a symbol of Christianity, and the motive is important. Take for example the beginning lyrics of their song "Terrible Lie":




Did Christ die on a cross or in an Iron Maiden?


I've shown you some of the band's lyrics. It's obviously an anti-Christian band. Here's a selection from their song "Heresy":





The Beatles song "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is a subliminal message. The initials of the song are "LSD." They did drugs, there's no debate there, and they put messages in their songs often.


Proof?


Yes, the Jews called the early believers "Christians" because they didn't want to be associated with them, but that has nothing to do with this subject.


...Dead babies being hanged... I don't want to sound offensive, but that's a stupid excuse and a severe understatement.


Straw Man. Don't put words in my mouth.


It's not the drugs, it's the groups that were involved in the occult.


Why don't we make an album about abortion and put chopped up babies on it and praise abortion? stare

Straw Man, but I'll address it.

Manson isn't just associated with Anton LaVey, he's also an actual member of the Church of Satan.

The fact that these people were their rolemodels plays a part in it.


These aren't stringed links, these are direct ones. It's not as weak as you make it out to be.


Almost ALL of Nine Inch Nails' music is satanic.


Ad hominem. This isn't about me. I don't listen to this crap any longer.


You know what, so have I! Does that make it okay?


No comment.

I think you did come off a bit rude, but this isn't about you, it's about your argument.

Because I've never heard of The Shack.

Read the rest of the verse:
"for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"

Preaching to non-believers is not equal to discussing music with satanist artists. There's a distinct difference.

No, it's not by Jack Chick. I've gathered it from sources and a picture says a thousand words, which is why I include them in my posts. I do not agree with everything from the places where I get the information, because some of their arguments are weak and I don't buy them. However, with Amy Grant using occultic symbolism in her music videos, it's obvious to me that she's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Just because people claim to be Christians doesn't mean that they are.




It's hard to keep up with your posts since you keep editing every five seconds. neutral