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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:32 pm


Need to figure out how soul stuff will work out in Shinobi Shinwa. This is so that we don't have to go back and change what we already wrote to make things fit. They'll all be numbered, please use when replying. Ex:

1) Wait what if...?
2) okay sounds good
5) blah blah blah

If you want to add some just continue the numbering (last one 12, then use 13). Each number should only be used once. If some are similar then they may be combined later but the numbers shouldn't be used again or it'll get confusing. I'll keep the Final List updated with what makes the most sense so far: (btw chi = spiritual energy + spiritual only, ryoku = physical/body energy + physical only)

Final List
1) All living things have a soul.
2) The soul is made of energy in a different state other than mass. Energy in this state is called "spire." Mass represents a large amount of energy but it is unknown how much spire represents. Theoretically it represents many times more than mass does because it is currently immeasurable.
3) The soul uses chi to control the body.
4) The soul cannot function without chi.
5) The soul uses chi to convert unidentified spire particles into even more chi. This is a lengthy process.
6) Any part of the soul that gets separated from the body will automatically rejoin with the closest body part.
7) Ryoku must be used to attach a soul to another body.

Discussion:
1) Not sure what defines "living things". "Things with souls" would be a circular definition, which doesn't clear anything up. This law is vague (not good) :/ Needs lots of work.

2) Mass is energy in another form. Basically this law says "spire" is energy in another form, and souls are made of this... stuff. If that doesn't help then think of spire as like "spiritual mass" (technically incorrect because it is not mass but hope that gets the idea across).

3) The soul and body cannot be completely separated because they have to interact *somehow*. Think there needs to be more to this but can't think of anything to add yet. Like how the soul goes about "controlling the body". Should the soul just be a mist of spiritual particles or should it have it's own anatomy with brain, lungs and all?

4) What should happen when they run out of chi? Should a Shinigami reap them? Should their soul just vanish... Post what you think makes the most sense.

5) "Unidentified particles" need to be named. Also not sure if this is how souls should work. Using chi to make more chi sounds like it's going against the Law of Conservation sweatdrop

6) I can't remember why I added this but I think it was as a safety against overpowered soul stuff. Something seems wrong with this one.

7) This one's hard sweatdrop Ryoku supposed to only work with physical stuff (body) while chi only for spiritual (souls). But souls shouldn't be able to reattach where ever they want. So, using chi shouldn't be able to reattach a soul. What do you think?

8 ) Then there's the problem with bringing back the dead. How exactly should this work? Soul traded for soul? Only requiring lots of chi = everyone just bring back the dead.

9) Need to figure out the EMF (electromagnetic field) thing. Why or why not ghosts/spirits should emit this. I'm guessing due to the "high energy association" (e=mc^2, lots of energy equivalent to mass) this could explain the EMF thing... or not :/ Remember we're not scientists, just trying to come up with stuff that sounds pretty correct/right.

10) Need to figure out the EVP (electronic voice phenomena) thing too.

11) And explain why ghosts/spirits can sometimes move stuff, cuz they don't have a body... Maybe they can convert chi into ryoku :/ I think this may end up getting combined with #10. Looks like #9, 10 and 11 are related.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:33 pm


((Edit: Noticed some general typos. Fixed now.))

I’m going to try rewording/going more in depth with these. I don't know if all of my terminology for SS is correct, but I had an idea while reading yours, so take a look and see what you think of these:

The Soul Laws

1. All living things have a soul
1a. A “living thing” is defined by the necessary “characteristics of life” – see here
1b. Not all souls are sentient (self-aware). Thus, those of plants and most animals are more of an “essence” than a true “soul”.
1c. Sentience requires a “spirit”, which houses one’s consciousness and general mind. Though intangible, the spirit has a definite form, mirroring that of the living body.
1d. Living things that contain a spirit are able manipulate the soul to perform jutsu (or whatever it’s called in SS). This manipulation is explained later.

2. The soul is composed of a unique type of energy called “spire”.
2a. Considering the mass to energy ratio (large mass = large energy), it is unknown what the soul to “spire” ratio is, due to the fact that a method to measure “spire” has not been developed yet.

3(+4&5). The soul uses chi to control the body and cannot function without chi.
3a. On its own, the soul is formless. A body gives the soul form (like water in a pitcher).
3b. Chi provides the anchor/connection between the body and soul, transforming “spire” into energy for motion (kinetic energy?), energy for running natural processes for life (i.e. metabolism), and ryoku.
3c. Chi is recyclable, serving only as a sort of enzyme for “spire” transformations. Still, one has only a semi-fixed amount of chi. This amount is determined by the state of the body – the healthier the body, the larger the chi and thus the more “spire” that can be transformed (which results in more ryoku to be used in jutsu).

6(+7). Should a soul be separated from its body (which can only occur through the severing of the chi anchors), it can only survive for a limited time without needing to be returned or supported in some way.
6a. The life span is determined by the amount of “spire” at its disposal. Once the “spire” has been used up, the soul and connected spirit is collected by a shinigami and is ultimately “dead”.
6b. In order to (re)attach a soul to a body, ryoku must be provided in order to form artificial anchors between the soul and its container. Once stable, the soul will slowly replace these anchors with natural ones made of chi.
6c. A soul can only be supported outside the body if it has a steady source of “spire”.

8. Death occurs when one’s chi reserve is destroyed (i.e. mortal injury, steady depletion through old age, etc.).
8a. Upon death, the spirit and soul is harvested by a shinigami. The soul will be recycled and used again in the future. The spirit is taken either to Heaven or Hell based upon belief/deeds/karma/etc.
8b. In order to reverse death, a massive amount of raw “spire” must be sacrificed to recreate the soul as well as draw the spirit back from its “final destination”. This often results in the death of the one raising the dead, due to the fact that total spire depletion results in the “death” of one’s soul.

9(+10&11). A spirit can remain behind as a “ghost” by being bound either physically or emotionally/spiritually to some object/person in the “living world”.
9a. As long as a connection exists, the spirit can remain free of a living body, however it still requires a source of energy to interact with the world around it.
9b. A ghost can take advantage of existing energy in the natural world (already-converted/free-floating ryoku, heat, electricity, etc.). When drawing on such energy, an EMF (electromagnetic field) is created around the ghost. By building up energy, the ghost can then interact on a physical level with its environment (more energy = stronger interaction).
9c. Without the required energy to move air particles to make true sound, any noise made by a ghost cannot be heard by the naked ear. It can only be detected by electronic equipment, and is thus referred to as an EVP (electronic voice phenomenon).

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I hope this works. It makes a lot of sense to me, anyway. Is there anything else needed? Any questions about what I’ve written?

Koneko Kuromira

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