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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:14 pm
Im just wondering how many people take the time to factor these forces into there workings, In my local area not many seem to...which is seeming to cause a large amount of back firing, large recoil from small things Ect,.. then again Most of the People who live near me seem to have no foresight, Nor any formual training...
Ive been trying not to pry Into there lives to figure out why this happens but they continue comming to me with problems, Or at least the ones who know how i was raised,and for most of there questions i have no answer....
So this has brought me to wonder how many people really do factor Chaos and Order Into there workings.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:32 am
Chaos and Order are more like a state of being rather than forces. But...since you asked...yes, I do focus on their significance a lot.
Order is what keeps everything (including the four [and fifth] elements) in balance but without Chaos Life would not exist. Of course without chaos we would feel bored but that's not what I mean. In Bio-physics, a disorderly equilibrium must always be occuring in order for life to continue. Water must always flow and go through processes in our bodies to keep our cells alive (osmosis/mytosis) and this also applies to our living Universe as well. It is currently at a state of unequilibrium as stars and galaxies are being pushed further and further apart at faster speeds while gravity takes its role in bringing things together. One point in the universe absolute balance will be achieved where something called etropy will take place and then our universe will be dead. not the kind of exiting explosive end you were hoping for, more like a dimming and then sudden flicker before passing away. such is the fate of our universe without the balance between order (gravity) and chaos (the force driving our stars and galaxies apart as well as the force that continues to use water in our cells)
That's how I view the world and how chaos and order play their part in it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:31 am
(points up) Mostly what he said. Save I would say they are forces more than states of being. You should check out some of the Greek philosophy on "love" and "strife" - it deals with these two ideas quite a bit. In a nutshell, there are two forces. Love unifies things of different types but seperates things of like types, while strife deperates things of different types and unifies things of like types. These things keep reality as we know it going.
I don't conciously think about this every time I do magic, but it is implicitly always there anyway. As I put a lot of focus on the elements, and the concepts of love and strife are part of that system, it's in my workings in one way or another.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:25 pm
Thank you both for your insight
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:43 pm
I do agree with what they said, and I believe the Chaos and Order are energies that are applied to 'spells' or whatnot as well as Light and Shadow. Depending on the element, you combine the two to get a result...
Well, at least thats my experiences...
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:18 pm
LightOfTheBlade I do agree with what they said, and I believe the Chaos and Order are energies that are applied to 'spells' or whatnot as well as Light and Shadow. Depending on the element, you combine the two to get a result... Well, at least thats my experiences... same with mine, I'm Just being forced to wonder about things others are doing and can't help but try to find away to help
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:47 pm
hellflame3000 LightOfTheBlade I do agree with what they said, and I believe the Chaos and Order are energies that are applied to 'spells' or whatnot as well as Light and Shadow. Depending on the element, you combine the two to get a result... Well, at least thats my experiences... same with mine, I'm Just being forced to wonder about things others are doing and can't help but try to find away to help This is the second topic i find we have in common. Please read my thread in full (or at least skim, its like 200 posts now) and give your insight. I sence you will have something to add. its the: - Fellow Empaths: Can you fell it? - thread... Thanks in advance!
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:06 pm
LightOfTheBlade hellflame3000 LightOfTheBlade I do agree with what they said, and I believe the Chaos and Order are energies that are applied to 'spells' or whatnot as well as Light and Shadow. Depending on the element, you combine the two to get a result... Well, at least thats my experiences... same with mine, I'm Just being forced to wonder about things others are doing and can't help but try to find away to help This is the second topic i find we have in common. Please read my thread in full (or at least skim, its like 200 posts now) and give your insight. I sence you will have something to add. its the: - Fellow Empaths: Can you fell it? - thread... Thanks in advance! shouldnt Thank me till You hear what i have to say.
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:59 pm
That was certainly a lot of good imagination coming from youi. Chaos and order are what keeps everything in balance. It is a state of being in tune with everything in the universe. It makes us all get along, it makes our spells work or not work, and it makes sex work damn good. Think that over.
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:33 pm
TexasHammerhead That was certainly a lot of good imagination coming from youi. Chaos and order are what keeps everything in balance. It is a state of being in tune with everything in the universe. It makes us all get along, it makes our spells work or not work, and it makes sex work damn good. Think that over. Believe me i know all about balance. I just use the energys of Light, Shadow, Chaos and Order to change the outcome of my spells/abilitys. I, for one, respect my elders. However, do not insult my intelligence.
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:50 pm
LightOfTheBlade TexasHammerhead That was certainly a lot of good imagination coming from youi. Chaos and order are what keeps everything in balance. It is a state of being in tune with everything in the universe. It makes us all get along, it makes our spells work or not work, and it makes sex work damn good. Think that over. Believe me i know all about balance. I just use the energys of Light, Shadow, Chaos and Order to change the outcome of my spells/abilitys. I, for one, respect my elders. However, do not insult my intelligence. Dear sir, nothing I said was meant to insult you or intelligence. By the way, nice website. I loved those cat pictures.
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:31 pm
TexasHammerhead LightOfTheBlade TexasHammerhead That was certainly a lot of good imagination coming from youi. Chaos and order are what keeps everything in balance. It is a state of being in tune with everything in the universe. It makes us all get along, it makes our spells work or not work, and it makes sex work damn good. Think that over. Believe me i know all about balance. I just use the energys of Light, Shadow, Chaos and Order to change the outcome of my spells/abilitys. I, for one, respect my elders. However, do not insult my intelligence. Dear sir, nothing I said was meant to insult you or intelligence. By the way, nice website. I loved those cat pictures. Sorry for seeming cross... I do seem to come across that way... Also, welcome to the Coven. We do need the wise touch of an Elder, and I sence you will be most helpful here... Also, thanks for the comments about Joe... He appreciates it heh...
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:33 pm
TexasHammerhead That was certainly a lot of good imagination coming from youi. Chaos and order are what keeps everything in balance. It is a state of being in tune with everything in the universe. It makes us all get along, it makes our spells work or not work, and it makes sex work damn good. Think that over. they dont keep Everything in balance they sit at the base of the balance with out order the balance wouldnt be, With out chaos balancing Order, there wouldnt be change with in the balance that keeps it balanced
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:59 am
I like to hear your viewpoint on the question of universal energy. I've been told that stars billions of mile away can have influence on our thoughts. Do you include satr magick in any of your rituals? I know planetary magick works, but I'm unsure about the influence of stars.
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:19 pm
TexasHammerhead I like to hear your viewpoint on the question of universal energy. I've been told that stars billions of mile away can have influence on our thoughts. Do you include satr magick in any of your rituals? I know planetary magick works, but I'm unsure about the influence of stars. What i use my 'magick' for does not require riturals like that within the Wiccan belief. Universal energy is not just that of the stars or the other planets. What most people get stuck on is the phisical properties of 'magick.' Once you can look beyond the candles and only see and use the flame, then you have entered my realm of thought. 'Star Magick' exists, i in fact use it for my purposes. It is one of the stronger forms of energy out there. As for the influence on our thoughts, it does not affect me. The moon does affect my flow of energy, due to what I am ment to do, but my thoughts are not affected.
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