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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:33 pm
Just a heads up for anyone who hasn't heard, but people on the DragCave.net forums have been reporting that alt egg images have changed to normal egg images. (Alt hatchlings still look like alts, of course.)
TJ's exact reasoning is not yet known, but the change does not appear to be accidental (though it might be, as there is no official word on the situation) and is perhaps aimed at decreasing the mass breeding of vines and blacks.
But, in my opinion, it's a real pain to not be able to tell what egg is an alt. I'll be pretty unhappy if I end up breeding an alt in a clutch and pick up the wrong egg...
Edit: And now we have an explanation.TJ09 Sorry for the late response, I've been busy developing a new way of balancing the breeds out. Because right now, the site sees all dragons of a breed as the same. This means that, come time for winter dragons, the site will see all of the summer and autumn dragons and decide that there's plenty of season dragons, and that they don't really need to be especially common, even though there would be very winter dragons. Instead, the site will know which specific alts of dragons are not available, and thus won't bother considering them when trying to balance the numbers of each breed. But none of that (even it it does have to do with alts) is related to this.This occurred because someone asked why alternate dragons exist. And when I stopped to ponder this, I recalled that the feature was created because the site was too "linear." You see an egg, and you know which adult dragon that you're getting. The first steps away from linear hatching sequences were the two breeds with gender-specific sprites. When you pick up an egg from one of those two breeds, you may generally know which dragon you'll get, but not which sprite you'll end up with. And upon knowing why the alternates feature was implemented, it follows that separate egg sprites for alternates do not make sense. Alternates are the same breed as the original breed. Just as the possible silvers are the same breed, so too are the possible vine dragons. Different eggs generally denote completely different dragons. Even some of the current alternates that use different eggs (E.X. summer and autumn) result in completely different adults. And now, commence flaming while I go get some sleep (Only to wake up in 4 hours. =/)
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:50 pm
Oh...well that sucks. The reason is probably because of the mass vine and black breeding to get alts, which resulted in disastrous backup on the main cave page. The cave drops didn't come for a long time because of the obscene amount of eggs on the abandoned page.
But TJ has his own reasons. This is just my speculation.
*sighs* What a pain. Now people will have to wait until their vine and black eggs hatch to see whether they're alts or not.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:35 pm
If this was intentional, I don't see how this is solving a problem. There will just be more people abandoning their normal vine and black hatchlings. Or worse, killing them when they find out they are normal.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:44 pm
Ddraig Asheart If this was intentional, I don't see how this is solving a problem. There will just be more people abandoning their normal vine and black hatchlings. Or worse, killing them when they find out they are normal. I concur, though I'll admit I kind of like the idea of not knowing if it's an alt till it hatches. I like the idea that SOMETHING is a total surprise about the eggs when they hatch. It would make it more surprise and joyous when one turns out to be an alt. Besides, then you would, in theory, be wanting that breed regardless of alt or not. But it won't stop people from mass breeding them, it'll just make them be more careful about choosing and keeping an eye on their clutch that they let go, and maybe even working with others to keep their clutch close (IE: someone breeds three eggs, they keep one and get two friends to catch the other two so if it's an alt it's still kind of in their possession). Plus, it won't cut back on the abandons. If anything it'll increase them, as everyone will be abandoning the normal hatchlings when they want alts, so instead of a massive amount of eggs, it'll be hatchlings.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:41 pm
... D: Crud! I didn't know this... Darn. I could have been bred an Alt for once, and now it's gone! >:
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:16 pm
Ah that explains why my alt black egg now looks like a regular black. This should make things interesting as hatchlings are more difficult to abandon than eggs. Hatchies can follow you and refuse to be abandoned.
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:08 am
WaitingForGreen Ddraig Asheart If this was intentional, I don't see how this is solving a problem. There will just be more people abandoning their normal vine and black hatchlings. Or worse, killing them when they find out they are normal. I concur, though I'll admit I kind of like the idea of not knowing if it's an alt till it hatches. I like the idea that SOMETHING is a total surprise about the eggs when they hatch. It would make it more surprise and joyous when one turns out to be an alt. Besides, then you would, in theory, be wanting that breed regardless of alt or not. But it won't stop people from mass breeding them, it'll just make them be more careful about choosing and keeping an eye on their clutch that they let go, and maybe even working with others to keep their clutch close (IE: someone breeds three eggs, they keep one and get two friends to catch the other two so if it's an alt it's still kind of in their possession). Plus, it won't cut back on the abandons. If anything it'll increase them, as everyone will be abandoning the normal hatchlings when they want alts, so instead of a massive amount of eggs, it'll be hatchlings. True, but hatchlings are easier to find homes for than eggs. Some people are already planning to get frozen black/vine hatchling armies. But you're also right, that this won't decrease mass breeding. In fact, I plan on making sure that I breed all of my vines and blacks, because having more alts out there increases the chances that someone with one might want to trade for something that I have.
In any case, TJ09 posted an explanation on the DC forums (now quoted in the first post here), and his explanation doesn't actually have anything to do with the hordes of abandoned eggs.
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:33 pm
Ok it's nice there's an element of surprise to eggs now, but it will be VERY annoying breeding alts from now on...
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:30 pm
Someone already asked his reasoning behind it.
He actually related it to something in the real world: snakes. Sometimes snakes are albinos, sometimes they're born with two heads, etc.
You can't TELL this will happen just by looking at the eggs. The clutch is all of the same species regardless of how they hatch to look like, which means the eggs will all remain the same in appearance. He also stated that his original purpose was to have it be a 'surprise', and that he doesn't know how or why the alt eggs came to look different.
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:28 pm
Okay...blacks and vines are explained....now can someone explain tome what he was on about with the seasonal dragons? o.O; please?
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:00 pm
youngshorty Okay...blacks and vines are explained....now can someone explain tome what he was on about with the seasonal dragons? o.O; please? The amount of the eggs of each type released in the cave drops depends on population percentages (this doesn't apply to breedings), at least according to what I've heard.
Say that skywings are supposed to make up 8% of the dragon population (though I do not know if that is true; this is just a hypothetical example). Due to people deciding to breed their other dragons more than skywings, the skywing population is only 6% of the total population. Because of this, in the cave drops, skywing eggs will become much more common in order to raise the population size back to 8% of the total.
TJ is saying that all season dragons used to be seen as the same type, artificially increasing the percentage size. For winters to be released in the amounts that they are supposed to be once autumn ends, TJ had to change things so that the cave saw winters as a different type than autumns.
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:58 pm
Okay... When Winters start to show up (this is hypothetical) if I decided to breed 2 autumns together.....am I going to get an autumn egg or a winter egg?
I mean understand what you just said... but I have an autumn that was born from two summers. I'm just wondering if this change on the blacks and vines are going to be the same for everything else...
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:38 pm
His explanation was exactly what I thought it would be, if he wasn't being all silly about it I mean. It's what I told my sister it probably would be. Miao Yinn Someone already asked his reasoning behind it. He actually related it to something in the real world: snakes. Sometimes snakes are albinos, sometimes they're born with two heads, etc. You can't TELL this will happen just by looking at the eggs. The clutch is all of the same species regardless of how they hatch to look like, which means the eggs will all remain the same in appearance. He also stated that his original purpose was to have it be a 'surprise', and that he doesn't know how or why the alt eggs came to look different. I explained it to my sister with ducks. smile A duck lays five identical eggs, but four of them are brown and one is yellow. Still all the same kinds of eggs, but totally different looks.
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:03 am
youngshorty Okay... When Winters start to show up (this is hypothetical) if I decided to breed 2 autumns together.....am I going to get an autumn egg or a winter egg? I mean understand what you just said... but I have an autumn that was born from two summers. I'm just wondering if this change on the blacks and vines are going to be the same for everything else... When winters show up, breeding autumns and/or summers will produce winter eggs. The coding that TJ did for breed balancing just affects what shows up at cave drops, not the images of the eggs. TJ changed the alt egg images back to normal egg images before he working on breed balancing; breed balancing is completely unrelated to the alt situation.
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:50 pm
I'm gald he's changing the egg images. Might help ease the black green clog
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