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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:21 pm
I have decided to make it so there is no rank requirements on jutsus anymore. I have decided this because some ninja have created powerful jutsu and those who can't create one because they are either too busy or can't think of a good one are at a bit of a disadvantage. But you still need to learn your jutsus from your kage or sensei, and I would like the sensei or kage to be realistic when teaching the jutsu and only do it when you think they are ready. This is not argueable and is final so don't even try to argue.
-Reton Uchiha, Hokage, Guild Owner
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:22 pm
I'm not trying to argue, but there must be some consideration in this.
For example, you can't have a 12-year-old Genin such as Watari, learning techniques that are above his level and power. Having a free range of jutsus will definantly cause some conflict.
Consider this: try having every person in the guild having techniques that are as high as Kages at the rank of Chuunin. You're basically opening the doors that LEAD to God Modding . . .
I'm not saying there shouldn't be some free range opportunities; what I am implying is there should be enough organization to make this guild funcionable. The way you had it before was a little intricate but it kept everything in order. Now you are loosening the strings that will make everything you've worked so hard on to fall apart.
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:47 am
she has a point sensai but on the other hand a person may know how to do a Justus but cant use it take me for example: i started off with 2 elements and not 1 lighting and fire. ok now i seen the water dragon justus with my sharingan eyes there for i know how to do it but my chakra lvl isnt at the lvl to do so. so if i was to do it it would would put my body in so much pain or worse things can happen. it ok to let people learn justus but with in there power limits. making them the test to see what elements they have should be done before ALMOST all training that way u know what they can and can not do
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:37 pm
(Wow. Um, are we still in roleplay mode right now? Seriously, because I'm just speaking ooc . . . --out of character--)
And what you just said was so confusing I had to read a few times to get the gist of what you were saying. ;-;
I understand what your oppinion is on this, but for someone who DOESN'T have the sharingan to see these techniques puts them at a disadvantage once again. So what have you gained from this? Nothing. I believe that what rank you're at is what your level will stay at.
And this guild isn't as dead as a door nail so it's not the case where the next Chuunin exam may be about 2 years from now. No. We finally have enough participants to prepare for the first Jonin exam.
Sorry that I got a little off topic, but you should look at this from a differnt perspective.
-Take the show Naruto for example: analyze the differnt ranks in a chart in your head. Take the Genin Naruto compared to Chuunin Shikamaru. Or even to the post-time skip Jonin Neji if you have too.
First: Look at the qualities Naruto FIRST showed at the beginning of the series. After episode (or manga chapter) 1, his only real strong jutsu was the shadow clone --aka the doppleganger in the manga-- true, he did contain the fox spirit which could lead him to unbelievable strengths, but the first time he really opened that kind of power was around episode 16 or so in the battle against Haku. It wasn't until episode 54 or so that he re-awakened this power again. (But as time went on, he relied on this power much more often, but ignore that point right now) that means that as he trained, it took approximatly 38 episodes until he really became wiser, stronger, and powerfuler.
Next Contemplate this.
Second: Take the quailties of Shikamaru. Sure he has a lazy complex, but don't we all now and again? His chakra control, ability to analyze beyond comprehension, and ingenious brain power are simple factors that lead to his rank raising. Once you push past the laziness, he's better than any other ninja you could find. Still, he didn't do anything that was out of his range of power, meaning unlike Naruto, he wasn't straight forward and he didn't do anything out of porportion.
Think this over and compare Naruto's and Shikamaru's strengths and weaknesses.
Third: Destiny Boy! This one person changed over time, mentally of course. His genious ways from the start let him recieve many talents. His abilities are extremely advanced. But anyway, he may take himself to the limit, but he was strong from the beginning due to his past of training.
Sure we're all going to make our characters have some sort of tragic backround where one or the other is tragic and they were on their own in someway. Obviously we want our characters powerful. And how many of you men in this guild really have the guts to uphold a weak link character? How many of you would be brave enough to make your characters say, "I quit"? How many of you would actually think that even though they are a Kage, or a Chuunin that they really haven't had the foundation to really be undefeatable?
God Moding, Power Playing, and Auto Hitting are the worst things one can commit by roleplaying. And whether you wish to deny it, it happens ALL THE TIME in this guild. Even the way it was with the strictness of it before with the rules, it still occured. So by saying that you wish to loosen the strings of the foundation that was keeping it together is going to be a big turn-off of the guild.
Sorry this message had to be so long . . . but my oppinion aren't really the most simplest things you could think of. I really have a complex mind u-u
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:17 pm
after reading her super long post i have to agree with her and by the way my character will never say "i quite" but i do know when i cant win a fight take the war for example when i was fighting Kai i stated that i couldnt win but i have to try anyway i made my character weak so i can grow to be a strong smart leader
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:27 pm
(are you still talking as Watari? 'cause I'm not roleplaying anymore, I'm talking as my civilized self)
But that was one of the points I was trying to make. If you take the example of Shikamaru during the third stage of the Chunin exam, then you would know that he gave up, when he knew he couldn't win. Even though it wasn't a real life/death battle, say it was, the easiest thing to do is flee.
Fleeing isn't a shameful act. If you can't pull off a mission, don't over exert yourself. If you can't win a battle during a war, find a differnt solution.
Most importantly if you take Kakashi's words that Obito Uchiha had given him (this can be found in Naruto Volume 27 at the back) and also the words he spoke back in episode 4 I believe when they had their survival exercise, you would know that abandoning a purpose makes the person scum, but one who abandons friends is even lower than scum. Meaning if you can't win the fight, then do something else as in protect the commrades you may be with.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:30 pm
They are both right in a way. I propose that we only hold back the final forms of jutsus from people like the full body chidori, and the final rasengan and other special jutsus like that.
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:26 am
((sorry force of habit))
ok lets go with that
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