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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:22 pm
When writing or listening to music, do you go for a more Progressive feel or more mainstream? If you write progressive, can you describe the song for me? And, for either, can you give a reason? Is it just how you feel the music? Or what.
By progressive, I mean alot of odd time signatures. 11/8, 9/8, etc. Mainstream would be the typical 4/4, 3/4, and extended 6/8 (at times).
My own example of this
I, personally, try to be more progressive. And it comes without trying sometimes. I just wrote a song that starts in 9/8 and changes to 12/8 then goes back and forth between the two before settling on 9/8. Then to 4/4. And then to 11/8 for the verse.
I like writing progressive because it expands my playing abilities. The ability to play in more than one rhythm is very important!
It's one of the best songs i've ever written :]
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:20 pm
Absolute Imperfection When writing or listening to music, do you go for a more Progressive feel or more mainstream? If you write progressive, can you describe the song for me? And, for either, can you give a reason? Is it just how you feel the music? Or what.
By progressive, I mean alot of odd time signatures. 11/8, 9/8, etc. Mainstream would be the typical 4/4, 3/4, and extended 6/8 (at times).
My own example of this
I, personally, try to be more progressive. And it comes without trying sometimes. I just wrote a song that starts in 9/8 and changes to 12/8 then goes back and forth between the two before settling on 9/8. Then to 4/4. And then to 11/8 for the verse.
I like writing progressive because it expands my playing abilities. The ability to play in more than one rhythm is very important!
It's one of the best songs i've ever written :] i go for both if i can . The big reason i do a prog one is cause i just like the sound or by just dumb luck lol . And i run off with the idea , i just do for fun and at times i just like the sounds at times . but when i do it i do my best not to make it or seem like am writting it in odd time . I want it to be as natural as it could be . So it could be weird but every enjoyable to anyone . Most people i talk to about it love to do it for fun cause of boredom or what not .
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:27 pm
i'm more of a progressive guy myself. i personaly just like not being chained down to one and only one time/key signature. i also love style changes like in the liquid tension experiment the song "universal mind" how it goes from an a dragonforce-like guitar riff to raggae to prog metal to circus music. lol briliant. also i like having long songs that are almost like 3 songs in one. more musically interesting, in my opinion.
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:33 pm
osgood_schloter_boi i'm more of a progressive guy myself. i personaly just like not being chained down to one and only one time/key signature. i also love style changes like in the liquid tension experiment the song "universal mind" how it goes from an a dragonforce-like guitar riff to raggae to prog metal to circus music. lol briliant. also i like having long songs that are almost like 3 songs in one. more musically interesting, in my opinion. i love the 3 or more song thing too , but at times i love it simple .
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:36 am
I go for more of the progressive style. I like being able to make my music shift, grow, breath, and evolve. The only problems I come across while writing in this style, is that it is very easy to loose the center point and over play in the song. I try to get a simple memorable riff, but let the song consume it.
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:13 pm
i like to do the best of both worlds , like have it prog like but very simple and raw . But still have some live in it .
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:45 pm
I don't think of my time signature when I'm making a song. I'll monkey around with riffs, and whatever has a good groove works.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:20 pm
same here , but now cause i been working with it for awhile it becomes part of my playing . Not all the time but on some times i put out with odd time riff or something .
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:13 am
Slappy the Ninja I don't think of my time signature when I'm making a song. I'll monkey around with riffs, and whatever has a good groove works. and that is how some of the best songs are writen. wink
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:24 am
osgood_schloter_boi Slappy the Ninja I don't think of my time signature when I'm making a song. I'll monkey around with riffs, and whatever has a good groove works. and that is how some of the best songs are writen. wink I like doing that too, but I put it on Guitar Pro so I can remember it later and come back to it, so I have to figure that stuff out.
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:38 pm
I've always tried to go for a more progressive approach, but I can't seem to get out of a 4/4 time signature. I jsut struggle with weirder ones.
But progressive isn't just defined by the time signature. When I jam, I like to make songs about eight minutes long, because I like eight, but sometimes we shoot for a longer song. I jam with a keyboard player too and we get a more eclectic sound out of that.
The thing is, it's hard to get a song that people can remember, I always think. The song kind of morphs over time. There's rarely ever just one riff to it, and I find that songs generally crescendo, whether intentional or not.
I know a lot of people say prog to sound a bit weirder because everyone lieks to be in the minority, but sometimes it's not really very prog. I think I do that too though.
The thing is, mainstream music is just kinda boring. I don't understand why bands like 30 Seconds to Mars are classed as prog rock. What do they have in common with Pink Floyd, The Mars Volta and King Crimson? I really like Mars Volta, and when I jam, I always go for a more Mars Volta type sound. It's a shame that I don't record jams. It's rude to record other peopel palying without asking. They'd say no anyway, I guess.
Yeah, my music myspace sucks.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:24 pm
Gerbos I've always tried to go for a more progressive approach, but I can't seem to get out of a 4/4 time signature. I jsut struggle with weirder ones. But progressive isn't just defined by the time signature. When I jam, I like to make songs about eight minutes long, because I like eight, but sometimes we shoot for a longer song. I jam with a keyboard player too and we get a more eclectic sound out of that. The thing is, it's hard to get a song that people can remember, I always think. The song kind of morphs over time. There's rarely ever just one riff to it, and I find that songs generally crescendo, whether intentional or not. I know a lot of people say prog to sound a bit weirder because everyone lieks to be in the minority, but sometimes it's not really very prog. I think I do that too though. The thing is, mainstream music is just kinda boring. I don't understand why bands like 30 Seconds to Mars are classed as prog rock. What do they have in common with Pink Floyd, The Mars Volta and King Crimson? I really like Mars Volta, and when I jam, I always go for a more Mars Volta type sound. It's a shame that I don't record jams. It's rude to record other peopel palying without asking. They'd say no anyway, I guess. Yeah, my music myspace sucks. why would they say no ? thats just weird . But yeah you need mix the sounds of your songs on myspace .
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:57 am
Why not have both? All you need is love, Beatles most famous song, 7/8 for the majority of it.
I do like to experiment with time signatures and key changes, but I think if you focus to much on that you take away from the song. For instance, say I took a week out of my life and wrote a ******** technical masterpiece with a million different time sigs and perfect transitions between keys. Anyone who listened to it would go "Wow, that guy is a really good musician..."
But if I showed it to someone who doesn't know much about music, they might recognise the talent, but they wouldn't listen to it. I'm more interested in making music people love, and if I can do that without using 4 chords in 4/4 repeated 8 times before tedious inevitable cheesy chorus than so much the better.
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:29 pm
So Joe, do you play music for yourself or for others?
I'd say your last paragraph would be the very definition of mainstream, because mainstream music is generally for people who don't know much about music. However, as much as I respect your opinion, I disagree with it. Why would you make music for an audience that doesn't listen to music much?
Also, I think you'd need to destinguish between a good musician and a good instrumentalist. Someone could be the most technically proficient guitarist in the world, but might suck at writing songs, only being able to play ones that others have written. That would make them a good guitarist, but not musician, and I think that the mainstream would appreciate a better musician than instrumentalist (I guess most people would >_>)
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:33 pm
joe-dude667 Why not have both? All you need is love, Beatles most famous song, 7/8 for the majority of it. That's a mainstream progressive song. I'm talking about mainstrem feel. Like just typical 4/4. I know of some songs that are prog, or have some prog times that are mainstream.
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