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Second_Crimson Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:55 pm
As many of you know, Unspoken_X was recently banned from APG. This topic will be used to discuss that decision. That decision will not be retracted. It will be discussed. We know that a lot of people haven't really understood why he was banned, and there's been a lot of misinformation and suspicion flying around, so in the interest of fairness, here's what happened, why, and what some people think.
Please know that as a new mod, I was not involved in the decision. To be fair to the discussion and prevent bias, I will not reveal my position on the decision. I will only try to be fair and balanced about it.
WHAT HAPPENED X has been the subject of controversy for some time. He has been warned many times for different things. The idea of a tempban was created for X. He was given a time out and told he could return if he could follow rules. Things went well for a while, but there were a couple slip ups. The last of which was in the last Post Your Pics thread.
X posted a meme picture in response to a picture Eikou posted. The meme was racial in nature and offended Eikou. Whether he meant to offend or not, X was in violation of one of our rules: not posting racial/ethnic jokes. Eikou did not ban X, as he didn't want personal feelings to affect his decision.
D was the one to ban X, and he decided to keep his banning quiet out of respect for him and his position in the guild.
THE MODS The decision has been discussed at length. Not all the mods agreed with the banning. Not all mods agreed on keeping things silent. But it seems we've all come to the conclusion that keeping it silent is not the best idea. That's why we're doing this, so that people can understand what happened, why, and discuss it.
Kira did make a topic and attempted to keep it open, but she explains that she was scared that keeping it open would've started flame wars and hatred. She didn't want that and did what she thought was necessary to keep the peace.
THE MEMBERS Some members disagreed with the banning. Most members were more unhappy about not knowing what happened and why. Some members also think that there has been a conspiracy to cover-up the truth. That is not the case...mods have merely been trying to keep the peace.
THIS TOPIC Please discuss the banning of X and ask any questions you may have. We will try to help you understand as much as possible.
Remember: If things get heated, take a break. Everyone I think can keep a cool head and discuss this like rational people. Let's keep it civil. <3
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:39 pm
he had too many chances. and he already knew we were on to him. that's all i gotta say.
so i believe it was necessary.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:43 pm
I really don't know what to say. I had a like/dislike relationship with X. When I liked him, I liked him. When I didn't like him, I honestly couldn't stand to read stuff going on and felt I need to venture out into the main forums more than I already do.
Can't say we were close, but I can't say I'll miss him much. Sometimes, I want to hear his side, but like I said... we weren't close, so it would be weird for me to PM him about it. He and I had our differences, but we were civil with each other and that's how I'd like it to stay.
Anyway... said my piece, don't mean it to be rude, and think we're at a point where we can move past it and be the APG. amirite? Nevermind. I don't know what I think about this. What I wrote is how I feel, but not exactly how I feel and I don't know if I want to say completely.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:52 pm
 Some people didn't even get a chance to move past it, and, let's face it, X was a huge part of the APG for a long time.
I think this is the least of what we can do for him, and for other users who want - deserve - to know what actually went down.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:07 am
I'm really tired of this topic all together. i even lost my cool for a moment in a mod chat. But this thread is a good idea to clear the air so everyone can move past this. my opinion - like Rai said, he had too many chances. I even pm'd him when he would say little things that weren't worth a ban or warning but seemed really rude. But he did what he did, and knew the consequence.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:50 am
Well, I'm glad you guys opened a thread about this....it feels a little late but the point is you did what you guys thought was right.
While I agree that we shouldn't let favoritism get in the way, I kinda feel bad that APG banned him. He was like family, and usually you don't kick out family (which I've always seen as stupid but now I see the point)
..Well...anyway....it's a gray issue for me that I don't really know how to put into detail and I didn't really see what he posted so I can't judge whether it was truly offending but I guess I shouldn't try to.
I said my peace in the last thread and I guess if we hadn't let that go it might cause wars from now on which we don't want to happen..so there.
The important thing is that we have a just system...okay am blabbing. You get my point.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:06 am
I can't say I'm going to miss him.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:21 am
I know that quite a few active members left after he got banned, though I can see why. All the people were close to him, and they made a guild of their own with only all of them together. It kinda bites, though, that X's banning made it awkward to talk to those who left since some of them I was close to, too.
Putting that aside, I think you did make the right decision. I've seen what happens with rude and insensitive members personally from another forum I'm active in and it isn't really fun to deal with in the first place but it has to be done. There is one particular member there that's in this situation very situation or very similar to it, and it's hard to deal him. He's mostly everyone's friend (including mine), which has saved him quite a few times. It's just really difficult dealing with things like this and I respect that you put his position in the guild aside and treated him as if he were just a regular member.
That being said, I think I said everything I was going to say.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:43 am
I had a long talk with X after i found out he was banned. I myself was out of the loop and never found out until i came back a month later. I agree with what you said, but i don't think X really meant for it to be racist. But hey, it's X we're talking about here. He can be stupid sometimes, and i agree with that. I know he's not coming back too, so i don't see any worry about discussing it. He said even if he had a chance, he'd probably not return. Besides, there would be too much friction, right? I admit, he put too much /b/ content on here. I'm even still close friends with some of the members that left. I'll be honest. They invited me to the guild. I accepted. As said before, i'm not being biased. I've discussed it with some of the mods after i found out it happened, and i have made it perfectly clear that I am not on either side, and I intend to remain that way. Just as you guys lost contact, he lost a lot of people that he loved too. But i know for a fact that this stuff happens. I deal with it at school as well as here. It's difficult, but as said before. I will remain neutral to this.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:02 am
I'm on the fence about it, emotionally.
Logically, I agree with the banning, although I'm sad it was necessary, and at the last thing that caused it. I do understand it.
I was a good friend of X's. I had no idea they'd started another guild, though, and now I'm left wondering why that is, and it's upsetting me, honestly. sweatdrop
S'all good though, I still has my APG. *Snuggles everyone* heart
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:37 am
Silver Were Wolf I'm on the fence about it, emotionally.
Logically, I agree with the banning, although I'm sad it was necessary, and at the last thing that caused it. I do understand it.
I was a good friend of X's. I had no idea they'd started another guild, though, and now I'm left wondering why that is, and it's upsetting me, honestly. sweatdrop
S'all good though, I still has my APG. *Snuggles everyone* heart It's not a very big and busy guild like this one. I've browsed it once, but it's not an APG hate guild or anything. It's just... another guild really... I will vouch that much. The only mention of APG or any of its members was just X because he was shattered that he was not told about Satchan being engaged. That was it. Seriously, not trying to start a fire here. Please don't attack this post or anything. I'm telling you what i saw and that's it. Edit: Wtf is with my quotes? sorry guys.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:43 am
My Friend Grimm Silver Were Wolf I'm on the fence about it, emotionally.
Logically, I agree with the banning, although I'm sad it was necessary, and at the last thing that caused it. I do understand it.
I was a good friend of X's. I had no idea they'd started another guild, though, and now I'm left wondering why that is, and it's upsetting me, honestly. sweatdrop
S'all good though, I still has my APG. *Snuggles everyone* heart It's not a very big and busy guild like this one. I've browsed it once, but it's not an APG hate guild or anything. It's just... another guild really... I will vouch that much. The only mention of APG or any of its members was just X because he was shattered that he was not told about Satchan being engaged. That was it. Seriously, not trying to start a fire here. Please don't attack this post or anything. I'm telling you what i saw and that's it. Edit: Wtf is with my quotes? sorry guys. What Seddy said. It isn't very active and there are only a few members. It's nothing bad about the APG or anything like that. It's very innocent to say the least. And the quotes haven't been working for a while.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:58 am
I haven't actually seen him in here since I've been back. When did this happen?
But last year when I was here a lot, it was obvious to me that he did play a big part in the APG.
I used to talk to him on MSN a lot, and even outside of the APG I can sort of understand where the decision is coming from. I haven't talked to him in a long time, nor have I seen any of his recent posts.
I think the decision made was necessary. It's not every day that the APG has to deal with this. And I'm sure you guys gave him plenty of chances, and he just took advantage of it.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:00 pm
I'm not trying to start anything either, just sayin' I'm a little hurt that he didn't think to invite me. I talk to him a lot over AIM still, and we really mostly talked over AIM to begin with, but still, you know? Anyway, I don't think it's a bad thing that they have their own guild, and I don't think they'd start anything to flame APG. It was their home for too long, and they have more respect for others than that. 3nodding
I'm not upset that they started one, I'm upset that he didn't think to include me. I wasn't particularly close to any of the others who left, except maybe Levi, but I hadn't talked to him for a while even before all this happened, so them I'm not surprised at.
I came back from a small break and had missed the initial "X is banned here's why" thread, so I found out through the grapevine, too. I was upset at first, and thought it wasn't fair, but I hadn't been told all the details, and didn't want to accuse anyone of anything until I heard all the sides. So I talked to X, and Kira, and Eikou, and Key, and D, and a few other people who weren't mods, and got as many sides of the story as I could, before deciding that it wasn't an unfounded decision to ban him. I still wish he hadn't given so many reasons, but he did, and we'll all have to live with it now. >____<;
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:20 pm
... I had no idea this happened. That's what I get for being grounded Monday-Thursday.
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