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 Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:24 am
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:35 am
(Applauds at the Harry Belafonte song. HUZZAH!!) Ahhh, that song never grows old. Have you ever seen where he sings it on the "Muppet Show?" (If not, go here. And here, too, just because. Oh, and here. I'm just "link happy" today, heh heh.) And as for "Hakuna Matata"... sorry, but I'm just the wrong age I guess to fully appreciate it. Not to mention that I hate most Disney films anyway, so... sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:37 am
And I own the Harry Belefont Muppet episode! It's great!
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:49 pm
Yay songs! I have to say, growing up the Lion King was one of about 3 videos I got to own so I thought it was epic biggrin
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:17 am
@neverumindme: Heh heh, it sure looks awesome from the few clips I've seen from it. Good for you. 3nodding
@Melnoli: Well, I thought it was okay as a film when I first saw it (way back in the day) but the older I get the more I dislike Disney. I mean, I appreciate the artistry involved and all but I can't help but look at some of these films and wonder if the values they express are really as "good" or benign as they seem. (Here's where she's going to go off and possibly offend everyone within a twelve mile radius, so be warned.) "The Lion King," for example, has the good lions being "pretty" and lighter colored while the one bad lion and his comrades are, interestingly enough, "ugly" and dark colored-- and/or voiced by African-Americans if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing but it all looks suspiciously racist. And there is a definite overall trend in a lot of these movies to make "pretty" good and "ugly" bad in general, and usually (but not always) wealth and/or royal status is involved with "goodness," too. Granted, a lot of fairy tales and so forth express these very same things anyway, but even so: I'm not sure this sort of stuff we should be teaching our kids. neutral
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:51 pm
r_s_boston @neverumindme: Heh heh, it sure looks awesome from the few clips I've seen from it. Good for you. 3nodding @Melnoli: Well, I thought it was okay as a film when I first saw it (way back in the day) but the older I get the more I dislike Disney. I mean, I appreciate the artistry involved and all but I can't help but look at some of these films and wonder if the values they express are really as "good" or benign as they seem. (Here's where she's going to go off and possibly offend everyone within a twelve mile radius, so be warned.) "The Lion King," for example, has the good lions being "pretty" and lighter colored while the one bad lion and his comrades are, interestingly enough, "ugly" and dark colored-- and/or voiced by African-Americans if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing but it all looks suspiciously racist. And there is a definite overall trend in a lot of these movies to make "pretty" good and "ugly" bad in general, and usually (but not always) wealth and/or royal status is involved with "goodness," too. Granted, a lot of fairy tales and so forth express these very same things anyway, but even so: I'm not sure this sort of stuff we should be teaching our kids. neutral I have to agree - particularly older Disney films (I adore nearly everything Pixar, bar 'A Bug's Life'). Although the voice acting isn't racist really - the big baddy, Scar, is voiced by Jeremy Irons (who I think is fantastic), a white man, while Mufasa is voiced by James Earl Jones (Darth Vadar!), a black man. There's other stuff in the voice acting that isn't racist too..... But having said that, the colouring and idealising of the 'dark, ugly' bad guys etc is all pretty stereotypical, and I agree with you that the values they teach can be questionable. But I dunno that it's as racist as people make it out to be - I know most kids wouldn't think of the characters and relate them to race, it's like the kick-up over old seseme street episodes that parents think promote drugs and all sorts of things. Most of it is said with the benefit of adult logic and experience, while kids just watch it as kids do and don't read too much into things. Does that make sense? I hope I'm not appearing insulting or anything, I'm not trying to discredit what you're saying since I -do- agree with the points you make, for the most part blaugh
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:55 am
Melnoli r_s_boston @neverumindme: Heh heh, it sure looks awesome from the few clips I've seen from it. Good for you. 3nodding @Melnoli: Well, I thought it was okay as a film when I first saw it (way back in the day) but the older I get the more I dislike Disney. I mean, I appreciate the artistry involved and all but I can't help but look at some of these films and wonder if the values they express are really as "good" or benign as they seem. (Here's where she's going to go off and possibly offend everyone within a twelve mile radius, so be warned.) "The Lion King," for example, has the good lions being "pretty" and lighter colored while the one bad lion and his comrades are, interestingly enough, "ugly" and dark colored-- and/or voiced by African-Americans if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing but it all looks suspiciously racist. And there is a definite overall trend in a lot of these movies to make "pretty" good and "ugly" bad in general, and usually (but not always) wealth and/or royal status is involved with "goodness," too. Granted, a lot of fairy tales and so forth express these very same things anyway, but even so: I'm not sure this sort of stuff we should be teaching our kids. neutral I have to agree - particularly older Disney films (I adore nearly everything Pixar, bar 'A Bug's Life'). Although the voice acting isn't racist really - the big baddy, Scar, is voiced by Jeremy Irons (who I think is fantastic), a white man, while Mufasa is voiced by James Earl Jones (Darth Vadar!), a black man. There's other stuff in the voice acting that isn't racist too..... But having said that, the colouring and idealising of the 'dark, ugly' bad guys etc is all pretty stereotypical, and I agree with you that the values they teach can be questionable. But I dunno that it's as racist as people make it out to be - I know most kids wouldn't think of the characters and relate them to race, it's like the kick-up over old seseme street episodes that parents think promote drugs and all sorts of things. Most of it is said with the benefit of adult logic and experience, while kids just watch it as kids do and don't read too much into things. Does that make sense? I hope I'm not appearing insulting or anything, I'm not trying to discredit what you're saying since I -do- agree with the points you make, for the most part blaugh Yeah, well, I was kinda afraid I was just going off there on a weird tangent so it's all good. 3nodding It's not that I think Disney actively promotes racism or anything like that-- it's more one of those things that might be done unintentionally, or with the "best of intentions," but that can have a certain effect anyhow. (And thanks for correcting me about the voice actors, by the way. I need to stop listening to my relatives sometimes, because more than once they've gravely misinformed me. smile ) I dunno, I guess how children view things depends on the child really-- some may pick up on certain stuff while others don't. (Shrugs) So it's probably hard to say. I do concur that people can read way too much into certain things sometimes, and often at random-- "Harry Potter" is somehow evil because it "promotes witchcraft," yet how many other stories are there, aimed at children, that also feature magic/wizards/witches/etc.? Granted they're not as popular, but still. And what's ridiculous about all this anyway, now that I think about it, is that even if you were to somehow stamp out all the "objectionable" material in children's stories/movies/TV it's not going to stop a child from being brought up a certain way or seeing things in movies targeted at adults or being influenced by their environment or whatever. Oh, dear. Here Lulu set up a nice, inoffensive little thread with links and it's all rapidly turning into a debate about kid's films and racism! Sorry about that, Lulu. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:44 pm
r_s_boston Melnoli r_s_boston @neverumindme: Heh heh, it sure looks awesome from the few clips I've seen from it. Good for you. 3nodding @Melnoli: Well, I thought it was okay as a film when I first saw it (way back in the day) but the older I get the more I dislike Disney. I mean, I appreciate the artistry involved and all but I can't help but look at some of these films and wonder if the values they express are really as "good" or benign as they seem. (Here's where she's going to go off and possibly offend everyone within a twelve mile radius, so be warned.) "The Lion King," for example, has the good lions being "pretty" and lighter colored while the one bad lion and his comrades are, interestingly enough, "ugly" and dark colored-- and/or voiced by African-Americans if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing but it all looks suspiciously racist. And there is a definite overall trend in a lot of these movies to make "pretty" good and "ugly" bad in general, and usually (but not always) wealth and/or royal status is involved with "goodness," too. Granted, a lot of fairy tales and so forth express these very same things anyway, but even so: I'm not sure this sort of stuff we should be teaching our kids. neutral I have to agree - particularly older Disney films (I adore nearly everything Pixar, bar 'A Bug's Life'). Although the voice acting isn't racist really - the big baddy, Scar, is voiced by Jeremy Irons (who I think is fantastic), a white man, while Mufasa is voiced by James Earl Jones (Darth Vadar!), a black man. There's other stuff in the voice acting that isn't racist too..... But having said that, the colouring and idealising of the 'dark, ugly' bad guys etc is all pretty stereotypical, and I agree with you that the values they teach can be questionable. But I dunno that it's as racist as people make it out to be - I know most kids wouldn't think of the characters and relate them to race, it's like the kick-up over old seseme street episodes that parents think promote drugs and all sorts of things. Most of it is said with the benefit of adult logic and experience, while kids just watch it as kids do and don't read too much into things. Does that make sense? I hope I'm not appearing insulting or anything, I'm not trying to discredit what you're saying since I -do- agree with the points you make, for the most part blaugh Yeah, well, I was kinda afraid I was just going off there on a weird tangent so it's all good. 3nodding It's not that I think Disney actively promotes racism or anything like that-- it's more one of those things that might be done unintentionally, or with the "best of intentions," but that can have a certain effect anyhow. (And thanks for correcting me about the voice actors, by the way. I need to stop listening to my relatives sometimes, because more than once they've gravely misinformed me. smile ) I dunno, I guess how children view things depends on the child really-- some may pick up on certain stuff while others don't. (Shrugs) So it's probably hard to say. I do concur that people can read way too much into certain things sometimes, and often at random-- "Harry Potter" is somehow evil because it "promotes witchcraft," yet how many other stories are there, aimed at children, that also feature magic/wizards/witches/etc.? Granted they're not as popular, but still. And what's ridiculous about all this anyway, now that I think about it, is that even if you were to somehow stamp out all the "objectionable" material in children's stories/movies/TV it's not going to stop a child from being brought up a certain way or seeing things in movies targeted at adults or being influenced by their environment or whatever. Oh, dear. Here Lulu set up a nice, inoffensive little thread with links and it's all rapidly turning into a debate about kid's films and racism! Sorry about that, Lulu. sweatdrop That's okay. I really don't give a damn if Disney is racist, sexist, whateverist.... I like what I like. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:20 am
DysFUNKtional Duck r_s_boston Melnoli r_s_boston @neverumindme: Heh heh, it sure looks awesome from the few clips I've seen from it. Good for you. 3nodding @Melnoli: Well, I thought it was okay as a film when I first saw it (way back in the day) but the older I get the more I dislike Disney. I mean, I appreciate the artistry involved and all but I can't help but look at some of these films and wonder if the values they express are really as "good" or benign as they seem. (Here's where she's going to go off and possibly offend everyone within a twelve mile radius, so be warned.) "The Lion King," for example, has the good lions being "pretty" and lighter colored while the one bad lion and his comrades are, interestingly enough, "ugly" and dark colored-- and/or voiced by African-Americans if I'm not mistaken. Maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing but it all looks suspiciously racist. And there is a definite overall trend in a lot of these movies to make "pretty" good and "ugly" bad in general, and usually (but not always) wealth and/or royal status is involved with "goodness," too. Granted, a lot of fairy tales and so forth express these very same things anyway, but even so: I'm not sure this sort of stuff we should be teaching our kids. neutral I have to agree - particularly older Disney films (I adore nearly everything Pixar, bar 'A Bug's Life'). Although the voice acting isn't racist really - the big baddy, Scar, is voiced by Jeremy Irons (who I think is fantastic), a white man, while Mufasa is voiced by James Earl Jones (Darth Vadar!), a black man. There's other stuff in the voice acting that isn't racist too..... But having said that, the colouring and idealising of the 'dark, ugly' bad guys etc is all pretty stereotypical, and I agree with you that the values they teach can be questionable. But I dunno that it's as racist as people make it out to be - I know most kids wouldn't think of the characters and relate them to race, it's like the kick-up over old seseme street episodes that parents think promote drugs and all sorts of things. Most of it is said with the benefit of adult logic and experience, while kids just watch it as kids do and don't read too much into things. Does that make sense? I hope I'm not appearing insulting or anything, I'm not trying to discredit what you're saying since I -do- agree with the points you make, for the most part blaugh Yeah, well, I was kinda afraid I was just going off there on a weird tangent so it's all good. 3nodding It's not that I think Disney actively promotes racism or anything like that-- it's more one of those things that might be done unintentionally, or with the "best of intentions," but that can have a certain effect anyhow. (And thanks for correcting me about the voice actors, by the way. I need to stop listening to my relatives sometimes, because more than once they've gravely misinformed me. smile ) I dunno, I guess how children view things depends on the child really-- some may pick up on certain stuff while others don't. (Shrugs) So it's probably hard to say. I do concur that people can read way too much into certain things sometimes, and often at random-- "Harry Potter" is somehow evil because it "promotes witchcraft," yet how many other stories are there, aimed at children, that also feature magic/wizards/witches/etc.? Granted they're not as popular, but still. And what's ridiculous about all this anyway, now that I think about it, is that even if you were to somehow stamp out all the "objectionable" material in children's stories/movies/TV it's not going to stop a child from being brought up a certain way or seeing things in movies targeted at adults or being influenced by their environment or whatever. Oh, dear. Here Lulu set up a nice, inoffensive little thread with links and it's all rapidly turning into a debate about kid's films and racism! Sorry about that, Lulu. sweatdrop That's okay. I really don't give a damn if Disney is racist, sexist, whateverist.... I like what I like. 3nodding Okay. I just felt kinda bad was all. sad
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