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Celestial Night Rose Captain
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 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:55 pm
What type of plot, story line, character, etc are you sick and tired of hearing over and over again.
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:07 pm
Where the woman has to be saved by the guy.
Really, woman have backbone and should be able to either save themselves or save the man for once.
I honestly have had enough with the woman - who is the typical shy and defenseless little thing - get kidnapped, or gets into some type of trouble and then the guy shows up last minute and saves her.
xP
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:38 pm
Not sure I'd call it a cliche, per se, but this irritates me:
Joe Smith has been in the police/Army/SEALs/secret-kick-a**-mercenary-group for a bazillion years and is widely recognized as the most efficient killer/serviceman/hero. Jane Doe has been a librarian/teacher/waitress/eccentric-writer and a pacifist/vegetarian/do-gooder since the beginning of time. When the Bad Guys' plot is uncovered, and Joe goes to defeat him, he tells Jane to stay behind. Jane does--for about two seconds. Then she thinks, "Hey, wait a minute. I'm a twenty-first century woman! Who cares if he knows exactly what he's doing and has been doing it for all eternity? I need to go save him!"
And what happens? She goes and messes up his plan, which probably would've worked perfectly if not for her.
stressed
Swear to God, I wanna hit heroines like that. I mean, seriously? You honestly think that you, who claims to have never picked up a gun in your life, can help the man who's been a SEAL for the past ten years? Like, seriously?
*another stressed *
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:55 pm
I agree with you.
But I can tolerate that depending on the story.
I just don't like it when the men think that the woman is this fragile porcelain doll that cant defend herself.
x.x
-feminism-
But anyways, I do agree with you up to a point on that.
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:11 pm
Oh, I don't mind if, say, she's also secretly a black belt in karate, or has been shooting a gun with her family since she was six, or something. It's when she has no reason whatsoever to think she can be a match to a lot of trained men, other than, "I'm a woman and can do anything a man can!"
I can put up with men being wrong in their thinking that a woman needs to be protected--they can't help it when that's what they're taught all their lives, really. ("Don't hit girls"--"Play gently with her"--etc.) It's when women think "equality" means "forget logic" that I have issues.
I beat that horse, didn't I? Sorry. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:15 pm
It's okay.
I like that.
I want to use as an example though, Tabitha from the Dark-Hunter series. I love that specific character just due to the fact that she'll kick a** no matter what.
Also the fact that she won't let a man be all Tarzan-ish and stuff.
It's good when a guy can defend a woman but woman should also be able to defend themselves.
x.x
Am I making sense because it makes sense to me but I don't think it would make sense to someone else.
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:22 pm
xd Nah, you're making sense, and I definitely agree with you to a point as well. (Though I don't know Tabitha--I haven't read many of her* series, though I keep meaning to...)
Edit: *Meaning Sherrilyn Kenyon...
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:05 pm
So far I agree with everything Tiggermyk says. One thing I'm annoyed is that some paranormal romances are going along the same plot line instead of making something up new. It's as if someone read a paranormal romnce and says "I like it I can make one just like it" instead of thinking of something new.
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Celestial Night Rose Captain
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:11 pm
Celestial Night Rose So far I agree with everything Tiggermyk says. One thing I'm annoyed is that some paranormal romances are going along the same plot line instead of making something up new. It's as if someone read a paranormal romnce and says "I like it I can make one just like it" instead of thinking of something new. Whooo, people agree with me! xd Mostly I see this with paranormals when it involves vampires. I think they've become cliche all by themselves, which is a pity.
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:20 pm
lol yeah I think they should make a new pen for authors to use that snaps and ruins their whole book if it gets too cliched and with no new ideas.
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Celestial Night Rose Captain
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:12 pm
Bookstores across the nation would be cleaned of crap if that happened.
Kinda random: A friend of mine showed me a bendy pen she had. It amused me greatly.
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:28 pm
Yeah, also on a random note in the chatterbox there's a weird dream thread check it out 3nodding
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Celestial Night Rose Captain
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:37 pm
Also agree with Tiggerymyk about the "honest-to-goodness-can't-do-anything-to-save-herself" chic who thinks that she can go and save a SEAL in the middle of a gun fight thereby putting him and herself into mortal danger. Stupidity keeps the plot going.
And I agree with Rayne, but with a twist: it's not so much that the woman needs to be saved (I can live with that) but why, Why is this incredibly amazing, smart, attractive, self-confidant man bending over backwards for a simpering female? A woman can need saving in my book just as long as she's fiesty and actually has some worth as a human being other than looking pretty. (I like it when they save each other at different points in the story the best).
My personal cliche hate: blonde haired, blue eyed heroine vs. brunette / red haired villaness. Why must authors constantly refer to fairy tales (blonde = good ; dark = evil) strategy? Yes, yes, there are only so many variations that one can go through in the natural world, but it shows up so much! (Actually, at this point I think it's more cover art than actual text, but the fact remains).
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:41 am
@Dresden: *glomp* Oh em gee, I has a sibling!! 4laugh
Here's a good example of what I mean, from Scent of a Killer, by Christiane Heggan.
Heroine: a photographer since she was knee-high to a grasshopper
Hero: a P.I. with a background in the FBI...in fact, unless I completely missed a part, he was with the FBI for a little less than fifteen years
The issue that she thinks she can help him with: taking down an international, uber-bad, vicious Russian mafia. Yes, she got mad when he told her that he didn't want her poking her nose into their business. Does it matter that he wouldn't dare try to tell her how to take photos, while she tells him how to conduct an investigation? Nooo. I think he knows what he's doing, lady. stressed
Just to make it even better: she's deliberately withheld information from the police, because she doesn't think they can do their jobs properly. The man in charge of the police investigation, by the way, has one of the best records in the department. And the hero has even all but flat-out told her that she's a moron for withholding information.
stressed gonk stressed scream
God save me from stupid heroines.
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:01 am
Great examples here guys, I couldn't stop LOLing at them!
Well here's mine, don't know if it's as obvious to me (a raven haired gal) but WHY DOES THE HERO AND HEROINE NEVER HAVE THE SAME HAIR COLOR?!?! Is it illegal for two people who are both Blond or both red-haired or both dark-haired for crying out loud to fall in love?
Because more often than not, the DARK HAIRED HERO (VERY COMMON) is always paired up with a GOLDEN beauty. It shits me, really it does, nothing against blonds but please. Black haired heroines aren't common.
Just in the vein, Blond heroes will hook up with an opposite colored female.
It's mind boggling.
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