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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:59 am


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-dow.html

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Canadian doctor warns Sarah Palin's decision to have Down baby could reduce abortions
Sarah and Todd Palin's decision to complete her recent pregnancy, despite advance notice that their baby Trig had Down syndrome, is hailed by many in the pro-life movement as walking the walk as well as talking the talk.

But a senior Canadian doctor is now expressing concerns that such a prominent public role model as the governor of Alaska and potential vice president of the United States completing a Down syndrome pregnancy may prompt other women to make the same decision against abortion because of that genetic abnormality. And thereby reduce the number of abortions.

Published reports in Canada say about 9 out of 10 women given a diagnosis of Down syndrome choose to terminate the pregnancy through abortion.

Dr. Andre Lalonde, executive vice president of the Society of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in Ottawa, worries that Palin's now renowned decision may cause abortions in Canada to decline as other women there and elsewhere opt to follow suit.

He says not every woman is prepared to deal with the consequences of Down babies, who have developmental delays, some physical difficulties and often a shortened lifespan.

Wider use of blood screening and amniocentesis during pregnancies can now accurately predict the presence of Down syndrome.

Lalonde says his primary concern is that women have the....

...choice of abortion and that greater public awareness of women making choices like Palin to complete a pregnancy and give birth to their genetically-abnormal baby could be detrimental and confusing to the women and their families.

"The worry is that this will have an implication for abortion issues in Canada," Lalonde tells the Globe and Mail.

In her widely-viewed acceptance speech to the Republican National Convention and a TV audience of some 37 million last week, Palin did not refer to her baby's birth as a decision or choice. "In April," she said, "my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig.

"From the inside, no family ever seems typical. That's how it is with us. Our family has the same ups and downs as any other, the same challenges and the same joys.

"Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge. And children with special needs inspire a special love.

"To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."

Others in Canada, which has just begun its own national parliamentary election campaign, see the Palins as positive parental role models who could help reduce the tide of Down syndrome abortions.

Krista Flint is executive director of the Canadian Down Syndrome Society, which says its goal is to foster "a climate of understanding and mutual respect for the dignity, worth and equal rights for ALL people."

The society now displays a photograph of the happy Palins with their baby on its homepage and offers to provide "positive and factual information" for an open discussion of Down syndrome.

However, Flint says doctors usually give couples very dark messages about life with a Down syndrome child.

"We know overwhelmingly the message families get is 'Don't have this baby, it will ruin your life,'" Flint says. "And I don't think people would look at Sarah Palin and see a ruined life. Regardless of politics, I think it's a good example."

Lalonde says giving women detailed information on the consequences of their decision is not actually encouraging them to seek abortions.

--Andrew Malcolm
PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:36 am


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But a senior Canadian doctor is now expressing concerns that such a prominent public role model as the governor of Alaska and potential vice president of the United States completing a Down syndrome pregnancy may prompt other women to make the same decision against abortion because of that genetic abnormality. And thereby reduce the number of abortions.


....oh noes?

That's awful, people could become more accepting of the disabled. rolleyes

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:06 am


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But a senior Canadian doctor is now expressing concerns that such a prominent public role model as the governor of Alaska and potential vice president of the United States completing a Down syndrome pregnancy may prompt other women to make the same decision against abortion because of that genetic abnormality. And thereby reduce the number of abortions.


....oh noes?

That's awful, people could become more accepting of the disabled. rolleyes


LOL Quality of life being determined by other people.

Choice, of course, refers to our choice to determine the value of lives of others.

I like how when women DO make the choice to not abort, they're being anti-choice.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:51 pm


xd I love how it's a bad thing. If Governor Palin had only known how this would affect other women, she would have gotten the abortion!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:23 pm


La Veuve Zin
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But a senior Canadian doctor is now expressing concerns that such a prominent public role model as the governor of Alaska and potential vice president of the United States completing a Down syndrome pregnancy may prompt other women to make the same decision against abortion because of that genetic abnormality. And thereby reduce the number of abortions.


....oh noes?

That's awful, people could become more accepting of the disabled. rolleyes


Yes, how horrible that they choose to let them live and give birth even after they know that the child has some disablity. Didn't you know that all disabled children turn out miserable?

Seriously, what happened to choice? How come most just seem to like pushing abortion? It's like the answer for ever little problem. Don't want kids? Can't care for them? Do they have a disability yet still healthy? Are you a pregnant teen? Abort! rolleyes

If people were really pro-choice, they won't put pregnany down and give facts and possible risks about ALL the options (pros and cons).
PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:09 pm


While I'm Canadian (and not really for the Republican party winning the American election), I see this as something positive in American politics, not how that Canadian doctor sees it.

Personally, I like when politicians share their stories, and while I want Obama to be the American President, she's certainly putting up more of a fight than I thought McCain could muster. I like the angle she's presenting her life in, and it's not as if the worst thing in the world is a reduction of abortion. I mean, come on, is it the end of the world if there are more special-needs people in this world? I don't think so.

People should be pro-choice and for all choices, not just the ones that help them the most. Honestly.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:39 pm


Aww shoot, did that woman make a choice that some pro-eugenics doctor disagrees with? Did that woman make the wrong choice? Stupid stupid woman, get back in the kitchen, and next time remember: Pro-choice means aborting when we think you should lest you set a bad example for the poor incompetent women who will be inspired to make the WRONG CHOICE.

Absolutely disgusting. He is talking about a living person who he thinks should be dead because him being alive in a loving family is detrimental and confusing to other women. We're so easily confused, you see, we just don't understand life and need to be strongly encouraged to do certain things or we'll make the WRONG CHOICE.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:32 am


La Veuve Zin
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But a senior Canadian doctor is now expressing concerns that such a prominent public role model as the governor of Alaska and potential vice president of the United States completing a Down syndrome pregnancy may prompt other women to make the same decision against abortion because of that genetic abnormality. And thereby reduce the number of abortions.


....oh noes?

That's awful, people could become more accepting of the disabled. rolleyes


We must run to the hills! The special people will not be able to climb up to get us!


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Oh noes! They are in the Hills too!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:39 pm


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But a senior Canadian doctor is now expressing concerns that such a prominent public role model as the governor of Alaska and potential vice president of the United States completing a Down syndrome pregnancy may prompt other women to make the same decision against abortion because of that genetic abnormality. And thereby reduce the number of abortions.


....oh noes?

That's awful, people could become more accepting of the disabled. rolleyes


We must run to the hills! The special people will not be able to climb up to get us!


...


Oh noes! They are in the Hills too!


lulz.

Yeah, I mean, like, why bother trying to help people with Down Syndrome when we can just kill them? It's so much easier than being all compassionate and stuff, and developing gene therapy to cure it makes my pretty little brain hurt!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:21 pm


Wait, do I correctly understand that a doctor, physician, a man who claims to be endeavoring to help people live long and healthy lives thinks that the way to deal with people are unwell is to kill them? Welcome to the Third Reich. (no that does not fall under Godwin’s law because the Third Reich actually did force abortions and kill mentally disabled people.)

How dare that women bring a child into this world who will not be in perfect physical and mental condition. How irresponsible for her to see a child as something other than a burden on society!

All sarcasm aside, this is sick and wrong. So a lot of the same people who are against using the word retarded in movies(Which by the way is a sensible term, since retarded means slowed down, so mentally retarded would be more fitting.) think that it is better to kill a child with Down Syndrome than to you know, maybe spend a bit more time at home with the child than one might have to with a healthy child?


I weep for mankind. Seriously, people think that the responsible thing to do would be to say, no ******** raising a kid with Downs syndrome, it will cost me time and money is responsible. I was under the impression that you were supposed to put time and effort into raising kids so that they will, you know be good and happy people? I guess I am just old fashioned.

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