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 Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:17 am
Anyone know any sick black metal, death metal, and folk metal scales?
Specifically the ones Necrophagist, Amon Amarth, or Finntroll uses...?
Been looking, can't find any good ones besides a couple minor scales
crying thanks
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:18 am
I have book of scales, but i dont know which ones are used with those bands
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:28 pm
good black/death scales are harmonic minor, melodic minor, and chromatics. i also like the dorian, and while i dont use these scales, i hear phrygian, lydian, and mixolydian are all good for DM.
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:37 am
MegaTherion777 good black/death scales are harmonic minor, melodic minor, and chromatics. i also like the dorian, and while i dont use these scales, i hear phrygian, lydian, and mixolydian are all good for DM. I think minor scales would fit better for doom and gothic. though, Amon Amarth uses tons of minor scales. It depends on what style you're trying to play, isn't it mega?
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:05 pm
Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 good black/death scales are harmonic minor, melodic minor, and chromatics. i also like the dorian, and while i dont use these scales, i hear phrygian, lydian, and mixolydian are all good for DM. I think minor scales would fit better for doom and gothic. though, Amon Amarth uses tons of minor scales. It depends on what style you're trying to play, isn't it mega? well the minor scale can be used in any type of metal. the harmonic and melodic minor (the ones i mentioned) have extra notes that make them slightly atonal, more evil sounding. thus, they are good for black metal and death metal. they were also populare in the 17th-19th centuries, making them useful for neoclassical as well.
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:06 pm
MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 good black/death scales are harmonic minor, melodic minor, and chromatics. i also like the dorian, and while i dont use these scales, i hear phrygian, lydian, and mixolydian are all good for DM. I think minor scales would fit better for doom and gothic. though, Amon Amarth uses tons of minor scales. It depends on what style you're trying to play, isn't it mega? well the minor scale can be used in any type of metal. the harmonic and melodic minor (the ones i mentioned) have extra notes that make them slightly atonal, more evil sounding. thus, they are good for black metal and death metal. they were also populare in the 17th-19th centuries, making them useful for neoclassical as well. Indeed. All I am saying is minor scales would turn death and black into melodic death/black. Now if you want to play raw black, or brutal death, natural scales (probably in C or F) would fit better.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:42 am
Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 good black/death scales are harmonic minor, melodic minor, and chromatics. i also like the dorian, and while i dont use these scales, i hear phrygian, lydian, and mixolydian are all good for DM. I think minor scales would fit better for doom and gothic. though, Amon Amarth uses tons of minor scales. It depends on what style you're trying to play, isn't it mega? well the minor scale can be used in any type of metal. the harmonic and melodic minor (the ones i mentioned) have extra notes that make them slightly atonal, more evil sounding. thus, they are good for black metal and death metal. they were also populare in the 17th-19th centuries, making them useful for neoclassical as well. Indeed. All I am saying is minor scales would turn death and black into melodic death/black. Now if you want to play raw black, or brutal death, natural scales (probably in C or F) would fit better. well no, they wouldnt necessarily make it more melodic. its not what scale you use, but how you use it that makes something melodic. a great many raw black and brutal death metal songs use harmonic minor scales because of the inherent dissonance of the scale. they use them almost as frequently as chromatic scales, in fact.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:01 am
MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 good black/death scales are harmonic minor, melodic minor, and chromatics. i also like the dorian, and while i dont use these scales, i hear phrygian, lydian, and mixolydian are all good for DM. I think minor scales would fit better for doom and gothic. though, Amon Amarth uses tons of minor scales. It depends on what style you're trying to play, isn't it mega? well the minor scale can be used in any type of metal. the harmonic and melodic minor (the ones i mentioned) have extra notes that make them slightly atonal, more evil sounding. thus, they are good for black metal and death metal. they were also populare in the 17th-19th centuries, making them useful for neoclassical as well. Indeed. All I am saying is minor scales would turn death and black into melodic death/black. Now if you want to play raw black, or brutal death, natural scales (probably in C or F) would fit better. well no, they wouldnt necessarily make it more melodic. its not what scale you use, but how you use it that makes something melodic. a great many raw black and brutal death metal songs use harmonic minor scales because of the inherent dissonance of the scale. they use them almost as frequently as chromatic scales, in fact. dude... melodic scales make music melodic.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:30 pm
Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 good black/death scales are harmonic minor, melodic minor, and chromatics. i also like the dorian, and while i dont use these scales, i hear phrygian, lydian, and mixolydian are all good for DM. I think minor scales would fit better for doom and gothic. though, Amon Amarth uses tons of minor scales. It depends on what style you're trying to play, isn't it mega? well the minor scale can be used in any type of metal. the harmonic and melodic minor (the ones i mentioned) have extra notes that make them slightly atonal, more evil sounding. thus, they are good for black metal and death metal. they were also populare in the 17th-19th centuries, making them useful for neoclassical as well. Indeed. All I am saying is minor scales would turn death and black into melodic death/black. Now if you want to play raw black, or brutal death, natural scales (probably in C or F) would fit better. well no, they wouldnt necessarily make it more melodic. its not what scale you use, but how you use it that makes something melodic. a great many raw black and brutal death metal songs use harmonic minor scales because of the inherent dissonance of the scale. they use them almost as frequently as chromatic scales, in fact. dude... melodic scales make music melodic. dude, any scale can be used for dissonance. idk why it's called a melodic minor scale, all i know is that ascending you play the regular minor shape, and descending you play the harmonic minor shape (or maybe i have it backwards), so it's actually different depending on which way you play it. it can, and often is used to make the music melodic, but using the scale itself will not necessarily make your music more melodic. plus, you were saying ALL the scales i mentioned would make the music melodic, not just the melodic minor scale. the harmonic minor scale is renowned for its evil sound, and the melodic minor scale is a close cousin.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:54 pm
I agree with Mega. The blues scale does not make blues music. Metallica uses it a lot, and they're not blues. And even if you are using a melodic scale, and have melodic elements, does not make you a melodic death/black metal band. There are more things to it. Death has several melodic aspects to their earlier work, without it being melodic death. It all depends on the usage.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:20 pm
Oh noes! all these years of music classes! didn't work!! nooo!!!! *falls into the pit of ignorance*
rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:09 am
Divinus Cruor Oh noes! all these years of music classes! didn't work!! nooo!!!! *falls into the pit of ignorance* rolleyes all a scale is, is a series of notes, yes? and a note, in and of itself, is can not be described as being melodic, yes? it is only melodic if you use it in the context of creating a melodic arrangement. the melodic minor scale is a gathering of notes, yes? as we can see, the notes themselves are not melodic. it is called a melodic minor scale because those particular groupings of notes, in that arrangement, tend to be useful in creating melodic arrangements. however, one is capable of using a melodic minor scale to write music that is not particularly melodic. while the harmonic minor is more common in black metal, both brutal death and raw black metal bands have been known to utilize the melodic minor scale in the creation of pieces that were not particularly melodic. after all, all the scale is is a series of notes. this series of notes can be supplemented with other notes from compatible scales and modes. they can be supplemented with chromatic runs. they can also be supplemented with notes from incompatible scales and modes to add "evil" sounding dissonance/atonality. and, interestingly enough, both the melodic and harmonic minor scales include the tritone, which is a particularly dissonant combination of notes, especially useful for creating the types of sounds sought in raw black metal and brutal death metal. in fact, in the right context, you could use any scale to make raw or brutal music, even a major scale, provided you use it properly (to provide dissonance with a non-6th minor scale, for example).
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:50 pm
MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor Oh noes! all these years of music classes! didn't work!! nooo!!!! *falls into the pit of ignorance* rolleyes all a scale is, is a series of notes, yes? and a note, in and of itself, is can not be described as being melodic, yes? it is only melodic if you use it in the context of creating a melodic arrangement. the melodic minor scale is a gathering of notes, yes? as we can see, the notes themselves are not melodic. it is called a melodic minor scale because those particular groupings of notes, in that arrangement, tend to be useful in creating melodic arrangements. however, one is capable of using a melodic minor scale to write music that is not particularly melodic. while the harmonic minor is more common in black metal, both brutal death and raw black metal bands have been known to utilize the melodic minor scale in the creation of pieces that were not particularly melodic. after all, all the scale is is a series of notes. this series of notes can be supplemented with other notes from compatible scales and modes. they can be supplemented with chromatic runs. they can also be supplemented with notes from incompatible scales and modes to add "evil" sounding dissonance/atonality. and, interestingly enough, both the melodic and harmonic minor scales include the tritone, which is a particularly dissonant combination of notes, especially useful for creating the types of sounds sought in raw black metal and brutal death metal. in fact, in the right context, you could use any scale to make raw or brutal music, even a major scale, provided you use it properly (to provide dissonance with a non-6th minor scale, for example). you're talking about 'tone'. when you use certain notes from a melodic scale avoiding some of the scale you're playing in a 'melodic scale tonality (sp)'. Maybe using pentatonic scales (which can me minor or major). This is fact dude, I've been learnign thise for years now.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:55 pm
Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor Oh noes! all these years of music classes! didn't work!! nooo!!!! *falls into the pit of ignorance* rolleyes all a scale is, is a series of notes, yes? and a note, in and of itself, is can not be described as being melodic, yes? it is only melodic if you use it in the context of creating a melodic arrangement. the melodic minor scale is a gathering of notes, yes? as we can see, the notes themselves are not melodic. it is called a melodic minor scale because those particular groupings of notes, in that arrangement, tend to be useful in creating melodic arrangements. however, one is capable of using a melodic minor scale to write music that is not particularly melodic. while the harmonic minor is more common in black metal, both brutal death and raw black metal bands have been known to utilize the melodic minor scale in the creation of pieces that were not particularly melodic. after all, all the scale is is a series of notes. this series of notes can be supplemented with other notes from compatible scales and modes. they can be supplemented with chromatic runs. they can also be supplemented with notes from incompatible scales and modes to add "evil" sounding dissonance/atonality. and, interestingly enough, both the melodic and harmonic minor scales include the tritone, which is a particularly dissonant combination of notes, especially useful for creating the types of sounds sought in raw black metal and brutal death metal. in fact, in the right context, you could use any scale to make raw or brutal music, even a major scale, provided you use it properly (to provide dissonance with a non-6th minor scale, for example). you're talking about 'tone'. when you use certain notes from a melodic scale avoiding some of the scale you're playing in a 'melodic scale tonality (sp)'. Maybe using pentatonic scales (which can me minor or major). This is fact dude, I've been learnign thise for years now. so you acknowledge that the melodic scale CAN be used to create non-melodic sounds. that's all i was trying to point out.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:18 pm
MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor Oh noes! all these years of music classes! didn't work!! nooo!!!! *falls into the pit of ignorance* rolleyes all a scale is, is a series of notes, yes? and a note, in and of itself, is can not be described as being melodic, yes? it is only melodic if you use it in the context of creating a melodic arrangement. the melodic minor scale is a gathering of notes, yes? as we can see, the notes themselves are not melodic. it is called a melodic minor scale because those particular groupings of notes, in that arrangement, tend to be useful in creating melodic arrangements. however, one is capable of using a melodic minor scale to write music that is not particularly melodic. while the harmonic minor is more common in black metal, both brutal death and raw black metal bands have been known to utilize the melodic minor scale in the creation of pieces that were not particularly melodic. after all, all the scale is is a series of notes. this series of notes can be supplemented with other notes from compatible scales and modes. they can be supplemented with chromatic runs. they can also be supplemented with notes from incompatible scales and modes to add "evil" sounding dissonance/atonality. and, interestingly enough, both the melodic and harmonic minor scales include the tritone, which is a particularly dissonant combination of notes, especially useful for creating the types of sounds sought in raw black metal and brutal death metal. in fact, in the right context, you could use any scale to make raw or brutal music, even a major scale, provided you use it properly (to provide dissonance with a non-6th minor scale, for example). you're talking about 'tone'. when you use certain notes from a melodic scale avoiding some of the scale you're playing in a 'melodic scale tonality (sp)'. Maybe using pentatonic scales (which can me minor or major). This is fact dude, I've been learnign thise for years now. so you acknowledge that the melodic scale CAN be used to create non-melodic sounds. that's all i was trying to point out. some notes from the melodic scale, in chord forms. The melodic scale itself has to be played in a ascending-descending form, if not, then you're just harmonizing with it, not actually doing melody with it. I mean that's what you were trying to explain.
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