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 Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:48 pm
Well, sicoe17 wanted to talk about it, and I agree that it's an interesting topic. It isn't exactly related to the topic of riot grrrl. But it's a curious enough subject, that I think it deserves a thread. Besides, I'd like this to be a general open thread to discuss other similar bizarre effects out psyche has.
From what I know, an example of the placebo effect, would be feeding someone pills telling them it helps them, when in the end they are just sugar pills. From what I know, results have shown an improvement in whatever the patient was supposed to be treated for?
How could this be?
What do you think about it?
Any other bizarre things our brain does?
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:21 pm
i don't know how that works exactly...it is pretty weird though. i mean, if someone told me that they could cure cancer with positive thinking, i'd think they're full of s**t. it just sounds dumb as hell.
nice hair mrgreen and i love your name; tsunami bomb's amazing.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:35 am
AgentM Well, sicoe17 wanted to talk about it, and I agree that it's an interesting topic. It isn't exactly related to the topic of riot grrrl. But it's a curious enough subject, that I think it deserves a thread. Besides, I'd like this to be a general open thread to discuss other similar bizarre effects out psyche has. From what I know, an example of the placebo effect, would be feeding someone pills telling them it helps them, when in the end they are just sugar pills. From what I know, results have shown an improvement in whatever the patient was supposed to be treated for? How could this be? What do you think about it? Any other bizarre things our brain does? Thanks. Yes, the placebo effect is when a person is given something like a sugar pill that medically shouldn't have an effect on you and they still see improvements/side effects similar to those who took the actual drug. It is seen all the time in drug testing where they have a control group that is taking a placebo and other groups that are taking the drug. That's why when you see a drug commercial at the end when it's going over the side effects it usually says something like "15% participants taking a placebo saw similar side effects."
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:32 am
bruiseviolet33 i don't know how that works exactly...it is pretty weird though. i mean, if someone told me that they could cure cancer with positive thinking, i'd think they're full of s**t. it just sounds dumb as hell. nice hair mrgreen and i love your name; tsunami bomb's amazing. Thanks, your hair's not so bad yourself biggrin , thanks, I love them too. Well it's not really, positive thinking, it's more like by thinking you're being cured, part of you is. An interesting movie on this subject is the bumble bee flies away which is a film about a young an dying of cancer who is put under pills to forget that he has the disease. His cancer remains in remission as long as he doesn'T remember he has it. Very interesting.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:36 am
sicoe17 AgentM Well, sicoe17 wanted to talk about it, and I agree that it's an interesting topic. It isn't exactly related to the topic of riot grrrl. But it's a curious enough subject, that I think it deserves a thread. Besides, I'd like this to be a general open thread to discuss other similar bizarre effects out psyche has. From what I know, an example of the placebo effect, would be feeding someone pills telling them it helps them, when in the end they are just sugar pills. From what I know, results have shown an improvement in whatever the patient was supposed to be treated for? How could this be? What do you think about it? Any other bizarre things our brain does? Thanks. Yes, the placebo effect is when a person is given something like a sugar pill that medically shouldn't have an effect on you and they still see improvements/side effects similar to those who took the actual drug. It is seen all the time in drug testing where they have a control group that is taking a placebo and other groups that are taking the drug. That's why when you see a drug commercial at the end when it's going over the side effects it usually says something like "15% participants taking a placebo saw similar side effects." Couldn't have said it better myself, I didn't know about that drugs commercial thing. What about the Barnum effect do you know what that is? biggrin If not I'll tell ya, heehee.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:32 am
AgentM sicoe17 AgentM Well, sicoe17 wanted to talk about it, and I agree that it's an interesting topic. It isn't exactly related to the topic of riot grrrl. But it's a curious enough subject, that I think it deserves a thread. Besides, I'd like this to be a general open thread to discuss other similar bizarre effects out psyche has. From what I know, an example of the placebo effect, would be feeding someone pills telling them it helps them, when in the end they are just sugar pills. From what I know, results have shown an improvement in whatever the patient was supposed to be treated for? How could this be? What do you think about it? Any other bizarre things our brain does? Thanks. Yes, the placebo effect is when a person is given something like a sugar pill that medically shouldn't have an effect on you and they still see improvements/side effects similar to those who took the actual drug. It is seen all the time in drug testing where they have a control group that is taking a placebo and other groups that are taking the drug. That's why when you see a drug commercial at the end when it's going over the side effects it usually says something like "15% participants taking a placebo saw similar side effects." Couldn't have said it better myself, I didn't know about that drugs commercial thing. What about the Barnum effect do you know what that is? biggrin If not I'll tell ya, heehee. Ya, it's the tendency for people to accept very general or vague characterizations of themselves and take them to be accurate, as in horoscopes and palm reading.... and all of those damn profile quizes in fashion magazines like "Teen People" and "Seventeen".
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:48 pm
Dangit, you knew what that was. Well got any effects that I might not have heard of?
What do you think about Freud?
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:44 pm
AgentM Dangit, you knew what that was. Well got any effects that I might not have heard of? What do you think about Freud? Well, there are some things about Freud that I like, but I can't get past his thinking that everything females do is p***s envy. I don't have one, I don't want one, hell I don't even want to see one! Let's see other effects... Fundamental Attribution Error, or the Self-Serving Bias. How about some everyday phenomenon like the foot-in-the-door effect, or the tip-of-the-tongue phenom. ninja I like psych. heart
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:19 pm
sicoe17 AgentM Dangit, you knew what that was. Well got any effects that I might not have heard of? What do you think about Freud? Well, there are some things about Freud that I like, but I can't get past his thinking that everything females do is p***s envy. I don't have one, I don't want one, hell I don't even want to see one! Let's see other effects... Fundamental Attribution Error, or the Self-Serving Bias. How about some everyday phenomenon like the foot-in-the-door effect, or the tip-of-the-tongue phenom. ninja I like psych. heart Thing that bother's me the most about Freud, and his theories, is how as soon as you question psychoanalysis it means that there's something wrong with you (you're Oedipus complex is unresolved, for example). It just isn't a science. The definition of science is that it can be questioned re-thought theorized about, experimented, etc. Can't do that with psychoanalysis. So I think it's a load of hooey with good intentions. As for "Fundamental Attribution Error, or the Self-Serving Bias" I have no idea what either are. I have no idea what the "foot-in-the-door effect, or the tip-of-the-tongue phenomenon" are either. Please do tell. I do too, but I studied all of mine in French, maybe that's why there's some discrepancies in my knowledge?
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:00 am
AgentM sicoe17 AgentM Dangit, you knew what that was. Well got any effects that I might not have heard of? What do you think about Freud? Well, there are some things about Freud that I like, but I can't get past his thinking that everything females do is p***s envy. I don't have one, I don't want one, hell I don't even want to see one! Let's see other effects... Fundamental Attribution Error, or the Self-Serving Bias. How about some everyday phenomenon like the foot-in-the-door effect, or the tip-of-the-tongue phenom. ninja I like psych. heart Thing that bother's me the most about Freud, and his theories, is how as soon as you question psychoanalysis it means that there's something wrong with you (you're Oedipus complex is unresolved, for example). It just isn't a science. The definition of science is that it can be questioned re-thought theorized about, experimented, etc. Can't do that with psychoanalysis. So I think it's a load of hooey with good intentions. As for "Fundamental Attribution Error, or the Self-Serving Bias" I have no idea what either are. I have no idea what the "foot-in-the-door effect, or the tip-of-the-tongue phenomenon" are either. Please do tell. I do too, but I studied all of mine in French, maybe that's why there's some discrepancies in my knowledge? Probably, a lot of the minor effects and phenoms are different according to langue. The Fundamental Attribution Error is the tendency overestimate peoples personalities when looking at their actions and not look at the situational, The Self-Serving Bias is the tendency to overestimate your own personality when you are successful and to overestimate the situations when you fail. The Foot-in-the-door Effect is the tendency for people who have agreed to a small request to later agree to a larger one, for example, if you ask your parents for permission to go to a concert with 3 of your friends and 2 of their moms and she agrees, she is more likely to agree again when you later tell her that the friends parents would actually be at the concert, but actually at the mall shopping and waiting for you, all teenagers should know this one 3nodding xp . The Tip-of-the-tongue phenom is a memory retrieval failure, it's when you know what you want to say, and you might even be able to think of the letter it starts with or what it looks like, but you just can't say it, even though it's on the tip of your tongue. I agree with you about Freudian psychoanalysis, the inability to argue a point against it without the process itself discrediting you is a huge problem with the system. The inability for it to grow and change with new discoveries has more or less been it's downfall as new, more flexible and informed versions of psychoanalysis take it's place, which are all, never-the-less, based on Freudisim. rolleyes
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:18 am
Wow that certainly an eyeful thanks for sharing!
I'm glad we see eye-to-eye when it comes to Freud. Have you taken any psych classes, or is this all from personal interest in the matter?
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:57 am
Well, I've taken one basic psych class, but most of it is personal interest. I'm bi polar and since I was diagnosed I've been interested in everything psych.
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:31 pm
sicoe17 Well, I've taken one basic psych class, but most of it is personal interest. I'm bi polar and since I was diagnosed I've been interested in everything psych. Yeah, I've taken a basic psych class too, my dad's a therapist, so I've heard some thing here and there. I should listen more often, though. I'm thinking of going to art therapy so these days I've been paying more attention.
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:25 am
Sovawanea sicoe17 Well, I've taken one basic psych class, but most of it is personal interest. I'm bi polar and since I was diagnosed I've been interested in everything psych. Yeah, I've taken a basic psych class too, my dad's a therapist, so I've heard some thing here and there. I should listen more often, though. I'm thinking of going to art therapy so these days I've been paying more attention. What type of therapy does your dad do? I've never done art therapy, I'm not very visiualy artistic, but I love theatre; that would be hard to do in art therapy. xp
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:45 pm
sicoe17 Sovawanea sicoe17 Well, I've taken one basic psych class, but most of it is personal interest. I'm bi polar and since I was diagnosed I've been interested in everything psych. Yeah, I've taken a basic psych class too, my dad's a therapist, so I've heard some thing here and there. I should listen more often, though. I'm thinking of going to art therapy so these days I've been paying more attention. What type of therapy does your dad do? I've never done art therapy, I'm not very visiualy artistic, but I love theatre; that would be hard to do in art therapy. xp My dad's a counsellor and psychotherapist. I love theatre too, though I'm not very involved in anything theatrical, but I am an art student so... yeah, things just kind of fell into place. Are you interested in being some kind of a therapist?
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