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A Pharmaceutical Bandit

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:34 pm


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I just want to clear some things up about tier lists, as a bunch of people (not just here) don't seem to fully understand what a tier list means. First off, if you only play casually, the tier list does not apply to you. The tier list applies to those playing at a professional level. Just because your friend can dominate you with Captain Falcon, that doesn't mean Captain Falcon should be higher.

Here's the point, with casual play, the skill gap between players is guaranteed to be much larger than with tournament play. In professional play, all players can be expected to be around the same skill level. This is the metagame. This list applies to the metagame. What it basically is saying is that if you have two players at an equal, high skill level, the top tier player has a better chance of winning against a low tier player. This is because at the highest level of play, the characters strengths and weaknesses become more static.

Furthermore, this list should not have any effect on your character choice. If you don't like where a character is, you have the power to change that. Do what you can to improve the characters metagame. The bottom line is this: a characters tier list placement has no effect on your skill level with that character. So why should it effect your choice? It shouldn't.

Anyway, here it is:

Top
Meta Knight
Snake
King Dedede
Mr. Game & Watch
Falco
R.O.B.

High
Marth
Wario
Lucario
Donkey Kong
Diddy
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Kirby
Pit
Wolf

Middle
Toon Link
Olimar
Fox
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser
Luigi
Peach
Ike
Shiek

Low
Lucas
Ness
Mario
Pokémon Trainer
Samus
Yoshi
Sonic
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Link
Captain Falcon


There is no bottom tier as of now, but this is the first version. Yes, it is a bit early for a tier list, and yes this is subject to, and WILL, change. Still... here you go - the first ever official Brawl tier list.

That's the old one, here's the new one:

SS Tier
Meta Knight 15.00

S Tier
Snake 13.91

A Tier

Falco 13.03
King Dedede 12.94
Mr. Game & Watch 12.50
Marth 12.09
Diddy Kong 11.94

B Tier

Wario 11.47
R.O.B. 11.38
Lucario 10.94
Olimar 10.94

C Tier
Pikachu 10.34
Kirby 10.16
Donkey Kong 10.06
Ice Climbers 9.59

D Tier
Zero Suit Samus 8.88
Toon Link 8.47
Pit 8.44
Peach 8.16
Wolf 7.91

E Tier
Luigi 7.41
Zelda 7.03
Bowser 6.91
Fox 6.66
Sheik 6.44
Ike 5.91

F Tier

Mario 4.56
Lucas 4.50
Ness 4.50
Samus 4.41
Sonic 4.16
Pokémon Trainer 3.94
Yoshi 3.66

G Tier
Link 2.28
Jigglypuff 2.03
Ganondorf 1.88
Captain Falcon 1.63

Since the Smash Back Room for Brawl has reformed, they remade the tier list.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:16 pm


...source?

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A Pharmaceutical Bandit

PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:28 pm


TheBasementDweller
...source?

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192028

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Announced awhile ago, actually. I just never felt like posting it here xp
PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:31 am


Great. Now Wi-Fi is gonna be flooded with Meta Knights.

Personally, I say to all those who object to tiers, prove they mean nothing. Win with your character. Beat the top-tier characters. Do what you can to prove your point.
Simple as that.

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Kaptain_Pretty

PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:19 pm


Teirs matter to me why? I'm not saying their all BS, just wondering how a few peopls' opinions are going to affect my playing ability...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:26 pm


Kaptain_Pretty
Teirs matter to me why? I'm not saying their all BS, just wondering how a few peopls' opinions are going to affect my playing ability...

They really aren't just opinions more trends.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:29 am


Isaac Convoice
Great. Now Wi-Fi is gonna be flooded with Meta Knights.

Personally, I say to all those who object to tiers, prove they mean nothing. Win with your character. Beat the top-tier characters. Do what you can to prove your point.
Simple as that.

Well, MK has always dominated the tournament scene. The tier list shouldn't effect someones choice on character, and if it does, they don't really understand what the tier list is.

Kaptain_Pretty
Teirs matter to me why? I'm not saying their all BS, just wondering how a few peopls' opinions are going to affect my playing ability...

Well, it's not just opinions. This time around, especially, it's based heavily on tournament placings, and then character analysis. But yeah, the tier list shouldn't affect your choice of character. My character being low tier doesn't make me worse with him.

And just remember that this is a very early tier list, and is subject to change. It WILL change, in fact. I personally think it's a little too early for a tier list; I think there should be a year before a list is decided upon. Six or so months isn't enough.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:22 pm


I still enjoy playing with Diddy. >.>

Sir Sunkist


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:48 pm


Professor Sunkist
I still enjoy playing with Diddy. >.>

And the tier list doesn't affect that. You keep using your favorite character, regardless of what the tier list says 3nodding
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:10 pm


Woah, Warios pretty high up there. Didn't expect that.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:20 pm


Freakshow88
Woah, Warios pretty high up there. Didn't expect that.

Wario is seriously the king of mindgames. It's ridiculous.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:09 am


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Luther Olathes

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:02 am


I find this all rediculously laughible. I think it's all BS. This list is more a "fad" list, and I hate fads wil a passion. My greatest rival makes Ness and Sonic look amazingly good. And Toon Link and Fox sould be higher up. And Olimar should be lower. I find him practically useless. That's just my 2 cents.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:01 pm


Luther Olathes
I find this all rediculously laughible. I think it's all BS. This list is more a "fad" list, and I hate fads wil a passion. My greatest rival makes Ness and Sonic look amazingly good. And Toon Link and Fox sould be higher up. And Olimar should be lower. I find him practically useless. That's just my 2 cents.

Well, I wouldn't describe it as a fad. It's carefully organized and thought out, based on character analysis (matchups, moveset) and tournament placings. Almost every character has had an in-depth review at this point. As I've said many times, it will change.

I personally believe that Fox will be moving up, especially if the Meta Knight ban follows through (which it probably won't). Toon Link may move up, I'm not so sure. He's pretty high, haha.

Olimar is pretty good. Super armor and an amazing upsmash. Fairly good camping ability, fantastic range. Good priority, nearly all of his attacks have disjointed hitboxes, which is amazing. Only significant weakness is his recovery.

And as I do respect your opinion, it's your 2 cents against the games most knowledgeable pros.

A Pharmaceutical Bandit


Luther Olathes

PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:28 pm


I am sure there are hidden aspects to the game I do not see, but I am on the game recularly, and me and a few friends of mine are always coming up with new tricks and making observations of our own. There are more weaknesses to Olimar then just his recovery. I am not saying he is horrid, but in my hands he is. lol I just have yet to seen any really good players that use him.

I do know that Sonic is a very used character, but he is very good. His speed and recovery are amazing and his rapid attacks will quickly rake up damage. The down side is his lack of smash attacks. Though, with good timing, that is not a huge problem.

Pikachu seems to be more of a problem than any other character. Reason for that is his electric attacks take priority over most other attacks. The best way to best him is with projectiles. Reflectors also come in handy when he uses his Down special and normal special, but in close range, Pikachu's down smash will often take priority.

I am sure Fox will move up in the list. I play with him constantly and am very please with his combos and abilities. A nice combination of speed, powerful smash attacks, and rapid attacks. He can deal alot of damage in a short time, and send characters flying. His ariel down smash will hit opponents over and over and drag persuers down to the stage where Fox can finish the combo with either a down smash, knocking them away, or with an up smash, sending them upward.

Note, though, these are just from my experiences and may be a tad bias. But, that's the whole reason we have debates, isn't it? lol
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