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 Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:24 am
Right lets give this a go.  That's my track car. Was trying to nail the esses in 4th when this photo got taken, and went out wide due to all four tyres loosing it after the late apex(the esses are a left sacrifice corner into a right late apex, then onto a short straight) Wasted the lap trying to sole that problem on the fly. NEED MORE BRAKING AND CORNERING POWER!!! Its seen top ten finishes ever since we started development, and its been running in the top ten positions for Club since it was built. Managed a few top three positions this year to boot, and is competitive against 944 Challenge category Porsches. Practical applications are: circuit sprints, circuit hill climbs and some tarmac events. General specifications: Braking marker from 260km/h: 120~30m(into S-set) Braking marker from 287km/h: 150m(sweeper, constant radius) Braking marker from 205km/h: 100m(Winton, into Esses) Maximum recorded speed: 291.1km/h(Philip Island main straight with tailwind, perfect conditions. Recorded via MOTEC datalogger, rev limiter in 5th. Need to sort the gearing on order to break 300km/h) Maximum recorded lateral G-loading(semi slick) 1.6(Sports Sedan may read up 1.7~2G) Maximum recorded lateral G-Loading(full slick) Unknown(faulty sensors) Maximum recorded laterall G-Loading(full slick, GREEN) Untested Maximum engine output: 384kW/516.94bhp Maximum output(Dyno Dynamics dynomometer, shotout mode) 311kW/416.8bhp Engine displacement: 1998cc, turbocharged Drive type: 4WD, AYC rear Sprint/Individual Time trial and Regularity/Time Attack result: Winton Raceway | 1:34 Philip Island | 1:53 Calder Park Raceway | 1:06 (current tune untested) Sandown Raceway | pending Broadford Raceway | Untested Calder Park Raceway 0-400m Sprint(Drag strip) | Pending Other vehicle specifications not available for public consumption. PM for links to result on Natsoft Race Timing.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:35 am
And now my old BOMB! mrgreen  Old civic, carby'd and manual. 2min flat around Winton, was happy to just finish(finishing halfway up the table was a bonus LOL) Had SO much fun in this car it was hard to get rid of it. In the end, the body was twisted from the repeated big left entries(flat stick in 4th, left-footer into a double apex using throttle only) it had to be limped back to Melbourne with the wheel turned left in order to go straight. As luck would have it, the sky opened up and by the time we got back I was pretty moist(frame was so badly twisted the doors, front window and rear hatch wouldn't seal) The engine was still good but, sat at the limit all the way back. Sent it to the yard the following day. RIP. ninja
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Ivan The Somekinda-Punk Crew
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:04 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:37 am
Lemme see what I can find, I don't usually post up pics much.
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:23 am
Right, managed to find a couple of the Autosalon images on my m8's Facebook account. *save to PB* xd   Just a note, its pretty abnormal for it to be this shiny. Usually there's streaks all over from molten tyre compound and dings everywhere from track debris. Spent three damned days trying to get it to look like this. Then the next week we went to Philip Island, I went off into the kitty litter and everything returned to normal. blaugh
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:10 pm
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Ivan The Somekinda-Punk Crew
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:16 pm
Agreed. So does the bag of chips (or whatever that is) add moar hp? mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:06 pm
Ivan The Folk-Punk Agreed. So does the bag of chips (or whatever that is) add moar hp? mrgreen I think the card under the bonnet was the competitor number(you can vote for good presentations to recieve certain prizes) That outing I got Editor's Choice, JDM Racer runner-up and Best Mitsubishi. Strange considering the damned thing has no interior, no oversized rims and 1001 stone chips under the polish(not to mention no graphics) The next Mitsubishi in line was a full-on Mirage show car. Wonder how the fellow felt being done over by a bloke with a Club Car.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:56 am
if you don't mind me asking, how much does it cost too run that thing. i takes all my pay to run mine let alone a circuit car.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:41 am
Donfandango if you don't mind me asking, how much does it cost too run that thing. i takes all my pay to run mine let alone a circuit car. Basically, you do an engine oil service every event. Every three events you do a full oil service and go over the entire car(if it doesn't suddenly feel funny in certain areas) You swap your pads every time they it 60% wear(anything lower and the heat goes straight to the caliper, hence the fluid) And you go over the car before and after every event. So basically, you're looking at AU$90 for oil and filter every event + Event fees(AU$170-$210) + Fuel(120 liters + tank Au$160~ Au$180) + Food and/or lodging(AU$20 + AU$50~AU$80 2-person shared room, or AU$40 3-person room) +Trailer(AU$85, for me I borrow one of my m8's) All up, at max I spend about 500 all up per event(the costs pretty much mean that when you go in, you go in to win it) Warm up, and go for your money's worth. And then there's tyres, which run anywhere from AU$1340~1640 per set depending on your setup(this is for a 17" wheel) The more power you have, the faster the tyre gets chewed up and the bigger the tyre you need to get the car to put the power down. The lighter the car, the softer the compound you need or she'll "skim" if you don't load it hard enough through driving. Basically, the more tyre you need and the softer the compound, the more expensive the tyre is. So if its say, a larger event, you may want wets standing by as well as a set of greens to qualify on.(I spent close to 4K overall on the now-defunct Asian race. Sold all the spares the day before the race because the engine gave up during testing due to a dodgy builder. Made a profit too since the timeframe was so close.)
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:46 am
^^^BTW that's to run a car that's meant to consistently finish well and remain competitive through several seasons(my fuel is also a bit more expensive than the norm) A more realistic outlay would be event fees, food + lodging, second-hand tyres and normal fuels. A "basic" Sprint would run anywhere from AU$280-300 per shot, with a normal car. That's assuming your CAMS/AASA + club fees has been sorted(there are annual costs)
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:13 am
the wonder's of speedway, $80 re-caped tires can last you a season. i have a jerry can as a fuel tank and that only needs to be filled up every 3 or 4 races. rego and licensing is only bout $100 and of course a $5 fee to book your number. Then all the little extras that you may break over time.
we have our drama on the speedway, but cost wise I'd have to say it's the best. I think i'll be waiting a while before i get into circuit racing, TOO MUCH MONEY.
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:12 am
Circuit work is definitely expensive. However, the participation costs are only part of the story. The build costs and getting things reliable are also much higher since the vehicle as a whole is subjected to far more mechanical stress thanks to the grip levels and running time(you may spend anywhere from ten to twenty minutes at the maximum design specification of any one part)
This means that the basics need to be looked at before you even get out there:
-Larger oil cooler and radiator
-Oil drainbacks from the head AND catch can, together with check valves all round
-Aux. water reservior and anti-surge
-Fuel surge tank, lift pump and primary
-Harness
-Extinguisher
-Seat(highly recommended)
-Isolator switch
That's basically all one needs, but considering the cost of a radiator and thermo fans by themselves(bundle deal) can run up to about AU$800...
Now, to become competitive, that's a whole other can of worms.
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:22 am
It looks very spiffy. Good job.
So in your opinion, would you think its better to have a dedicated track car and a run about as opposed to having a car that can dish it out that you use on track days? which would be more cost effective?
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:55 pm
Super Panda It looks very spiffy. Good job. So in your opinion, would you think its better to have a dedicated track car and a run about as opposed to having a car that can dish it out that you use on track days? which would be more cost effective? Well all things considered, it makes more sense to have a dedicated track car for a specific type of motorsport. The idea is that the daily car can be a very economical and practical vehicle, and that can be used to tow the other one to events. A street car is just not going to cut it on the track if you want to finish well, and a circuit car is simply too compromised for the street(brakes, tyres won't work well at all and suspension will be simply too stiff, certain oils might not get viscous enough, etc) Good, long-weaing street tyres will never give you as much grip as a set of semi's or full slicks can, and the geometries you need to run to be competitive will destroy a street tyre in no time. Vice-versa, you won't ever put down the same cornering or braking force with a set of street tyres.
HOWEVER, the way to do it is to decide what your budget will look like. Once you've done that, the picture gets a lot clearer. I'd reckon working out what you intend to spend on the hobby in the next 5 or so years, and you can make your investment decisions based on that. If you're really that interested and serious when it comes to motorsport, you may not even start with cars but instead invest in a Shifter Kart, which will make you devastatingly quick when you get into a car anyway.
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