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Subforum for former band members?
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No
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:17 am


In recent days, one will notice that our disdain for so-called major Korn fansites such as Kornspace has mounted - why? Because of their overzealous support of Brian 'Head' Welch, former axeman for Korn; who may I remind you left the band many years ago... professing the fact that he wants to keep his distance from the band that made him who he was, gave him his money and fame, and the very people that feign support for him.

Yes he spent 12 years in Korn, yes he was intrinsic to their sound, but founding member? Hardly. He was only the 3rd member to join Korn in its early stages. He is not unique - his sound can be replicated by anyone with a 7-string guitar tuned to drop D. He is no poetic nor musical genius, as proven by his rather dull, immature and quite ridiculous lyrics. Neither will he win any prestigious for his published memoirs as gut-wrenchingly truthful as they may well be (I have read better judging from the excerpts).

To the matter at hand, Head is reduced to nothing but a caricature of the "extreme Christian" kind - not to mention a clever self-promoter, using a fanbase he turned his back on and turning us on our heads (pardon the pun). Now please take the time to read this post from Dani:

ZeeCrazayHobo
Alright, after thinking about the conversation I had with Irene last night and re-reading some of the s**t on KoRnSpace I unfortunately need to bring myself to rant.

[rant]

"KoRnSpace, your #1 source for KoRn" is their slogan. So why is it they continuously, every day, post new Head news? Head, or should I say his non-KoRn title, BRIAN WELCH is not a part of KoRn anymore. And he never will be again, ever! So why so much ******** support, KS? Why do you have sheep (which is the name we call KoRn "fans" who don't appreciate all that KoRn has to offer, who souly focus on the guitar parts, who always always compare it to an older album or different band, who criticize anything new and different, who live in the past, who are deaf to music) running the site and posting this bullshit?

Head's new song "Flush", contributed a lot to this shitstorm on KoRnSpace. Sure, I loved hearing the "old KoRn guitars" going off as well, but once I heard the lyrics, something that unlike orchestra music, makes these types of songs what they are, I questioned it. I admit, I too, was caught up in the hype. I also admit that I said Head's new music defeated See You On The Other Side or some bullshit like that in one of the many threads we have here in our guild.

Why did a dedicated KoRn fan like me fall victim to this? Because it's exactly what Head wants. We must all understand that this is not Head's new music. This is KoRn's OLD MUSIC, which is something we're all fond of and miss a little bit. The reason Head has "not progressed" is because he's purposely appealing to ALL OF US, ALL THE KORN FANS.

Also, I have a little lesson in life for our dear friend Brian. It's about living in the past. Throughout some of the years I dwelled on the past, I was swallowed into the depressing pit of past mistakes, I could not go a day without thinking about something stupid I did. But doing that was hurting me in the long run, hurting me in the present so I realized that I needed to focus on my life now, how I can improve it and then look forward to the future, and if I saw the person I was 5 years ago I'd punch them in the face and get on with my life.

Head isn't able to this. All he does is dwell on the rockstar, drug-addicted ******** he was during some of the years he was in KoRn. As someone very intelligent posted on KS: he can't go through one interview without mentioning drugs and KoRn in the same sentence. Has he forgotten all the good times he had with KoRn--and I know he had them. I see the same smile during the making of the Somebody Someone video as I do in the recent making of Flush.

Head's also over-reacting. There are plenty of people in this world who've gone through ******** up s**t, whether with spouses or their children, been addicted to drugs, ect. It's everywhere today. But you know something? I've seen people who've gone through things ten times worse than Head WITHOUT financial support, WITHOUT a close-knit family and friend system and WITHOUT a Bible.

I'm not attacking Head's outlet, if religion works for him, so be it, I respect that. But he's so convinced his past life was so horrible, and though it was, I've seen much worse. And if it is oh-so bad, why the ******** does he continue to dwell on it? I liked it when he was focusing on the future, like I do, but now he's making money off his sob-story, and taking it a step further, making money off God.

Now, let me attack KoRnSpace's support system with this chart! biggrin

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Pretty self-explanatory.

F.A.T.N.S. - Munky's Solo
HIV - Jonathan's Solo
Untitled - KoRn's album
Flush/Head - One song by Head

KoRnSpace, though always supportive of KoRn, is in a shitstorm over Head, even more so, ONE SONG BY HIM! Oh, and if any intelligent ******** like me with an opinion against Head comments with anything anti-head, they are called a "basher" and are then...bashed by KS mods? Hm. Anyways, I think it's disgusting that Jonathan receives criticism for Alone I Play and everyone's all for it, but Head makes a song about puking and anyone against that is a horrible person.

KS is kissing Head's a** and I'm sick of it.

Anyways, I feel my rant dying a bit, so I'll end it here.

I will not buy or support Head's new album. I may listen to it, see what's there at that most.

KS is dead to me right now.

As for us in the guild, I think we should turn on of the unused subforums into a Head subforum. He doesn't belong here in the main guild, we're the Children of the KoRn afterall.

[/rant]

That was originally much longer. xD


I can totally add more but I feel Dani has said all that needs to be said.

So what say you, my brothers and sisters in Korn? Shall we have a separate subforum for Head (and David in effect)?

Post your opinions and propositions here.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:26 am


Nicely said, Irene. And thank you for quoting me, I'm glad my rant brought up some good points to you.

And yes, I do believe there should be a subforum for ex-members, for all those reasons, and it would also keep the awful rumors out of the Main.

Though in some ways they will always be members of KoRn deep down, they aren't anymore, they've taken a different path. And so will we when it comes to the organization of this guild. It's not like we're expecting Brian himself to come through here and make sure we're advertising for him and kissing his a** like KS. (Which makes me wonder...Brian wanted to distance himself from KoRn...yet he's stealing KoRn's fanbase?)

I guess that's the joy of being an underground KoRn Kommunity, we're free to say what we wish to without worrying if Jon, Munky, Fieldy or Brian and David are reading. (Unless their kids come here. o___o) But even so, "be yourself, let you come through"...it's how we really feel, so we shouldn't be a fake a** like the majority of KS.

Anyways, I'm all for the subforum for the ex-members. It would seem so much more organized, and it would keep the latest and greatest KoRn news and topics to be in all of their glory here in the Main.

I think I suggested the other subforum goes to solo projects, but I decided since KoRn isn't up to much right now, and since Jon and Co. are still all members of KoRn, the solo projects can remain here.

That means we'll just have one subforum to ponder over. Maybe if we aren't able to think of anything in the future, it could be a Forum Game subforum, with polls, quizzes, and all that good stuff. I've seen those kinds of subforums around and sometimes they get more activity than the Main; it would be a good place to go when news is slow. I think the Other Side already covers that, but it's just an idea. smile

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:49 am


Hmmm...
I'm going to have to say I'd prefer a subforum for Head and David.
My reasoning? I like hearing news about the current KoRn more than news about former members although they helped make KoRn what it is now and known for.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:44 pm


I think the only news we need to hear is news about david and what the hell hes doing right now because im most certainly wondering for sure what is going on.

They only news about ex members which truly fits into korn news is if the ex members are coming back.

so a subforum is good, in case we are wondering about heads new album or something. i dont feel it really belongs in the main forum because it isnt korn news. :]

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:20 am


Alright, it shall be done smile . October I'll be doing another overhaul again because my school year would've ended by then. This particular thread will stay in the main forum to draw attention to that future subforum. Promise me y'all we be uber active in that subforum xD! Hehe jks.

And Dani, yeah the games subforum did cross my mind but then I settled with the fact that the Other Side is more than apt for forum games 3nodding . And you know what, I actually want Jon to see what we're saying in this guild xD, even Head so he can shut the ******** up, haha. And yeah the possibility of one of their kids being on Gaia is moderate to high... Nathan might be in this guild for all we know, he's certainly old enough to be.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:11 pm


Do we consider Welch special enough to even have a sub-forum in a Korn guild? oO It's been said a few times that David's pretty much never returning, either, so there'd be practically nothing on him. I say yes for a sub-forum to get the s**t out of the main forum, but no because I don't think they really deserve it.

DioRte


dead_duckii

PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:58 pm


DioRte
Do we consider Welch special enough to even have a sub-forum in a Korn guild? oO It's been said a few times that David's pretty much never returning, either, so there'd be practically nothing on him. I say yes for a sub-forum to get the s**t out of the main forum, but no because I don't think they really deserve it.


thats what i was thinking too.

but when you think about how dead the subforums are, then maybe they do deserve it. haha


i still cant get over david leaving.
inside it still feels like hes with korn. :/
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:48 am


dead_duckii
DioRte
Do we consider Welch special enough to even have a sub-forum in a Korn guild? oO It's been said a few times that David's pretty much never returning, either, so there'd be practically nothing on him. I say yes for a sub-forum to get the s**t out of the main forum, but no because I don't think they really deserve it.


thats what i was thinking too.

but when you think about how dead the subforums are, then maybe they do deserve it. haha


i still cant get over david leaving.
inside it still feels like hes with korn. :/


Well us banding together to honestly criticise Welch is fun, and we still talk about it so it seemed the more reasonable option. And yeah, anything Head or David related technically don't belong in the main forum.

I agree Rhizz, I keep telling myself he'll come back no matter how pissed off I am at him.

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DanteIX
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:07 pm


i dont know if you ppl made a packed about not reading heads book i dont know if thats what happened but i read the book and if you read his book he does explain why he left korn. When reading the book i did have mixed feelings but we all make decsion and he made one.

I think these website keep talking about him because he is sort of one of the people who did start korn and he did put alot of time making the songs we all love. i think these website keep putting s**t up about him becasue he is a former member and probably to support his descion. and maybe just maybe it will convince him to come back who knows.

Also they probably keep putting stuff up because they want to keep you updated because him leaving is probably one of the biggest shockers korn ever had. ninja
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:32 pm


DanteIX
i dont know if you ppl made a packed about not reading heads book i dont know if thats what happened but i read the book and if you read his book he does explain why he left korn. When reading the book i did have mixed feelings but we all make decsion and he made one.

I think these website keep talking about him because he is sort of one of the people who did start korn and he did put alot of time making the songs we all love. i think these website keep putting s**t up about him becasue he is a former member and probably to support his descion. and maybe just maybe it will convince him to come back who knows.

Also they probably keep putting stuff up because they want to keep you updated because him leaving is probably one of the biggest shockers korn ever had. ninja


We'll still discuss Brian, but we're going to move the discussion to a subforum to keep it separate from KoRn stuff.

Former member or not, as said above, he is no longer at this present moment in time. Head =/= KoRn anymore. Head has more than enough support from everyone else right now.

And it was a shocker when Brian left, but that was years ago and it's over with. The shock is done now, and we're through with lumping Head in with KoRn.

This is not a personal attack against Brian. (I want you guys to all know my attack in the quote above was out of frustration, I was probably too harsh.) I just want his news/discussions moved elsewhere. That's all this was ever about.

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DanteIX
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:46 am


ok no problem i was confused wether people madea a packed about not reading his book.
but i do understand where u are coming from though xp
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:05 pm


DanteIX
ok no problem i was confused wether people madea a packed about not reading his book.
but i do understand where u are coming from though xp


Okay, cool. smile

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:03 pm


ZeeCrazayHobo
DanteIX
ok no problem i was confused wether people madea a packed about not reading his book.
but i do understand where u are coming from though xp


Okay, cool. smile


Yeah im still pissed that ppl are still bitchin about him leaving he did what was best for his daughter
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:10 pm


I ordered his book, it arrived today but I cant get at it as my parents are away and took the postbox keys with them!!!! scream I'm gonna buy the album, but I do agree that Brian Welch is no longer affiliated with Korn and thus should be kept out of Kornspace and should be moved to our subforums.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:53 pm


S0ZI
I ordered his book, it arrived today but I cant get at it as my parents are away and took the postbox keys with them!!!! scream I'm gonna buy the album, but I do agree that Brian Welch is no longer affiliated with Korn and thus should be kept out of Kornspace and should be moved to our subforums.


That sux with the key dude but yeah when you read it you will have alot of mixed feelings blaugh
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