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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:32 pm
Thought I'd post this here rather than in the main AA thread because I didn't want to derail it, and even though the post is unlocked, I'm not sure how far I should spread it (many of Bob & Em's posts are totally locked up). Artist couple takes up 14 tables at OtakonIn the interest of not increasing pageviews for either artist, I'm not going to link their dA accounts here, but I did find them and they're nothing special at all... his are weakly drawn fanarts with wonky faces, hers big-eyed shinyshinyshiny generic moe girls who all have the same face. But art quality notwithstanding, I don't think anyone deserves to get away with this kind of behaviour... it seems that other conventions gave them the boot for this, but Otakon basically went, "Eh, you paid us, do what you want." What do the rest of you think of this? And how do you think this should have been handled/be handled in the future?
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:14 pm
ah, i was wondering if this was gonna make its way to the guild forum.
I cant really comment from personal eyewitness account as i skipped otakon this year, mostly out of the fact that every year there is always some uber drama with that convention and im kinda sick of it. however, bottom line, 14 tables with a clear plan in place to get away with it thats pretty crappy. Id love to see them banned from the con and blacklisted from the others, but realistically i dont think its gonna happen, especially after reading the threads on the otakon forums. the whole thing just makes me sad really and just ruins the spirit of the artist alley. The whole deal has just made me really depressed as of late.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:54 pm
Holy hell, I'm 99% certain I know one of those guys. Except it's the guy, and when I met him he claimed to be a girl. O.o;;;
14 tables is utter bull. At AX07, I saw a group with three tables. They had a LOT of art, and quite a few artists in their group, and admitted that they mostly needed the tabels for storage/display. How the hell could 2 freaking people make enough art to fill up 14 tables? Who the hell would WANT to see 14 tables of the same damned stuff, over and over? O.o;
Even being able to get 14 tables is totally unfair, and it's dodging the rules of a lot of major conventions. Most AA agreements that I've read make it clear that an artist may only reserve 2 tables for themselves. Haven't read Otakon's, but... well, that's just damn weird and in bad spirit. Why don't they just get a freaking Dealer's Room booth? Bet it'd cost less, and it'd get them out of the way. >.<;
EDIT: I've looked a little more into this now.... those two are undoubtedly the same person, or possibly the same group of people. I used to know 'one of them' on a Magic: The Gathering website, wherein the one that went by the female of the pair's username posted art. But ya know what? Some of that exact same art is on The male's personal website and dA. I remember being really confused about their identity a few months ago. Damn, this is stupid.
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:53 pm
I don't think they really did pull off quite enough art to fill 14 tables, based on the comments I've read on several journals about the matter... several people posted comments along the lines of "I thought a lot of the art looked the same this year, now I know why."
I think part of why it torques me off so badly is because of the BS I've just gone through on three separate conventions (all resolved about the same time, thankfully!)--one still lists having table space available, but only had one table left at the time I tried to register two (for myself and for another artist); thankfully we're able to split the table and are on the waiting list if one opens up. Second one sold tables that weren't available. Third lost my registration. >.< It's been a hair-pulling time trying to get into those cons, and if I got to any of them (especially the one that sold unavailable tables) and saw someone parked at more than two tables, I'd be pissed. And even more pissed if, after that, no one on staff wanted to do anything.
At least, from what I've read, they were tossed out of some other conventions. And it's not like the AA heads need to worry about filling the tables--there's always a waiting list.
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:39 pm
Oh dear lord
I found them ON GAIA
alert the masses! D:
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:49 pm
Seriously? Ugh. >.<
Apparently, they're also part of the reason behind the new Ohayocon registration process (where you have to apply and show your wares before you can register). They're trying to prevent abuses like this and restricting all the studios to a single table.
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:37 pm
The guy in the group is denying everything now, too. He says that Otakon called in a lawyer who looked through their stuff for "over an hour" on saturday and found that none of the tables were selling duplicates. This is completely contrary to every report I've heard, and especially contrary to what I've read about one artist buying a print from one table and getting it signed at another.
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:18 pm
I'm not surprised at all... someone who pulls a stunt like that is never going to admit to actually doing it. That would make the artists the bad guys, and they refuse to be in the wrong. Ugh.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:05 am
[Kako] The guy in the group is denying everything now, too. He says that Otakon called in a lawyer who looked through their stuff for "over an hour" on saturday and found that none of the tables were selling duplicates. This is completely contrary to every report I've heard, and especially contrary to what I've read about one artist buying a print from one table and getting it signed at another. They had called in the lawyer for a possible copyright infringement issue. The Naruto logo is on one of the fanart prints. at this point there really isn't anything that can be done, except for conventions to amend their policies, which should happen in time for next year. The cons are aware of it and will take the necessary action. I personally don't get tables at Otakon because every year it seems to have some new drama there, but its a major venue so it makes sense that people are concerned. I'm sure at this point, everything will sort itself out.
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:23 pm
Ugh, I was at Otakon and I heard about this, although I didn't do a table. There were definitely many tables that had virtually an identical style, it was very noticeable though probably not so much for non artists. I didn't realize they had *that* many tables though. Their tactic seems to be to just spread their prints out everywhere. The art isn't really bad, but its really generic and all the characters look like the same face with different hair, there's no life to it. It is the kind of shiny bubble CG that's popular right now.
I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect they're the same group that pulled this crap at Metrocon! The art looks the same, but I didn't take note of the name at the time (for some reason I don't think they had business cards, but maybe I'm mistaken), and Metrocon doesn't care, they get the money either way. They had 5 tables there, which isn't that much but the Metrocon AA is much smaller. I don't think anyone else had more than one or two at most. I was very miffed to see one group taking up tables that could have gone to people who really wanted them and were not able to get one. I thought most cons had a table limit, so I don't know how they're pulling off getting so many.
The sad thing is they probably do make good money, since buyers generally don't know any better. Anyway, I was telling all my friends not to buy from them.
I meant to drop in the Otakon boards and see what was going on with it, but I forgot. I did see Otakon made an official statement that they were at least looking into it, so it looks like the rules will be changed so it doesn't happen again.
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