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Toxic Hellhound

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:31 pm


I thought I'd just post about my issue here and see what kind of ideas / thoughts you all have. I figured I'd get a better response here about my weight issue than I would in the regular LI forum. wink

All right, I'll just come out and say it. I'm fat. Well no, technically, in medical terms I'm labeled as "obese." And I'm having a hell of a time getting out of that category. I've tried everything... you name the diet, I've done it. Religiously, weeks or months at a time, but eventually my body always gives up and I'm so fatigued from the dieting I can't do it anymore. Exercising is equally as hard on me.

Before you go labeling me as a lazy fat slob, let me tell you of WHY I'm having such a hard time losing the weight.

Four years ago, I was healthy - 140 pounds - but then everything in my body started to go wrong. Some of the people of this forum may already know, but I had stomach cancer when I was 17 and had half my stomach removed. Again I had surgeries when I was 19 and 20 to remove the tumor that came back, but it seems that now I'm fine. All the medications I'm on for my digestive problems, though - they all have "weight gain" attached to the possible side effects. stare Figures, right? I also have hereditary depression, and I'm sure you all know that any antidepressant causes MASSIVE weight gain. I gained 20lbs. from Zoloft, 30 from Paxil, 50 from Effexor... yes, I did lose most of it back off before going to the next fabulous wonder-pill, though not all. I am on Lexapro now, and before you make the comment of "Just stop taking the antidepressants, woman!", it's clearly apparent to me and everybody else I know that I can't function without them (I stop making sense, I sleep 18+ hours a day, I cry at everything for no reason, etc.).

What was the real killer though, was finding out I had problems with my uterus. I had dehabilitating cramps so bad that I would be stuck in bed for literally days. Painkillers didn't work, so the doctors decided to put me on Depo-Provera (birth control) shots... bad idea. Then I went from 170 pounds to 230 within a year. I'm off the Depo now, and on something that doesn't cause weight gain - and I DID manage to lose 30 of those pounds - but it seems not any more than that. And something else wonderful that I got from the Depo-Provera - I developed fibromyalgia. I'm in excruiating pain all over my body most days, which makes exercising very difficult. I do manage to take our dog for a walk at least every day, and I play DDR when I can... usually 45 minutes, 3 times a week.

Now my problem: how can I realistically lose weight and stay on my medications? I don't think it's even possible maybe anymore, but if any of you know of anything that could help, I would REALLY appreciate it! Also, I should note as far as dieting is concerned, because of my digestive problems I'm not supposed to have any nuts, fruits, or vegetables. I'm pretty much nearly on an Atkins diet, though it's not doing anything.

Thanks in advance! heart pirate
PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:02 pm


You're in a tough situation, unfortunately. In order for weight loss to be truly successful, there often needs to be a completely lifestyle change. In your case though, you've been through several, yet each time it just adds more weight to your body. Seeing as you can't really change your diet very much (and your diet isn't "bad," per se), and that you can't exercise a ton, then your best bet is to just try to maintain your current body weight. Hopefully in time you won't need to rely on medications as much, in which case you can try something new/else to take off weight. Did you have any radiation done for cancer treatment? If so, where'd they do it? That can have an affect on certain glands, which in turn could easily affect metabolism.

Soleq
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Toxic Hellhound

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:57 pm


I was lucky enough that I didn't need any radiation. They just went in and surgically removed it, and that was that - each time.

My thought is that the birth control shots changed my metabolism more than anything else. I was horrified after I'd been on those for a year, gained a bunch of weight, and it felt like everything was going wrong with me. Depo-Provera's a horrible drug, and what I've read sickens me - while what happened to me from it sucks, there's much worse stories out there. The shot is so strong that they use it on sex offenders in prison to shut off their sex drive. eek They use it to sterilize animals. When most females use it, it really does one of two things:
a) Tricks your body into thinking its gone into menopause, which causes massive weight gain,
b) Tricks your body into thinking you're pregnant, which causes massive weight gain.
Either way, it basically shuts everything off "down there" which makes it literally the best (strongest) birth control out there, but in my case it stopped all the pain I was in... until I got the fibro.

I've been able to maintain my current body weight at a solid 200ish for about a year now, but I can't get it down any lower than that, no matter how hard I try. I think you're right that I'm going to have to wait and see if, someday, I can get off of some of these medications and lose the weight.

You know, really what this comes down to is I'm sick of the stigma associated with being overweight. It's hard to find clothes, my boyfriend of two years admitted awhile ago he isn't really physically attracted to me anymore, and I'm sick of the looks I get whenever I go out to eat (even though because of my stomach size, I really can't eat much at all).

*whine whine whine whine...* wink
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:50 am


This is hard. What type of diet do you have at the moment? You never really made that clear.
My advice diet wise is 3-4 small meals a day which are healthy and low fat. Things like porridge, brown bread, brown rice, brown pasta, eggs, cheese, rice cakes, yoghurt(possible if not fruit?), jelly and lean meats - fish, turkey and chicken are healthy and low in fat if you watch the labels.
Here are some meal ideas, if I have gotten any food that you can't eat wrong please forgive me.

Breakfast (one of the following):
~ 2 scrambled eggs on a slice of brown bread
~ porridge with skinned milk
~ 2 rice cakes and honey

Lunch (one of the following):
~ Turkey or chicken sandwich on brown bread
~ Baked potato with 1oz of cheese or some tuna
~ 3 oat cakes with some low fat spread and yoghurt

Dinner (same as before):
~ Tuna Pasta
~ Chicken and Rye Crackers
~ Omlette with muchrooms and onion - made with 2 or 3 eggs

I hope you get the idea. Try keeping a food diary of calories and grams of fat, it'll be especially if you can't exercise a lot which is what I'll try target now. You say your tired a lot? Is that because of the medications or your diet? Sometimes the more you do the more energy you get, sounds weird I know.
Half an hour at the gym 5 times a week is better than nothing. Or try sit ups around the house. 5 sets of 20 is good because you can have breaks inbetween.

Will you be on your medication for ever? If so mabye you and your doctor can work something out together. Being healthy is most important remember. So focus more on being healthy than losing weight.

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Toxic Hellhound

PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:14 am


Yes, I am constantly tired, but it's because of the fibromyalgia.

What I usually eat now... is eggs, whole wheat breads, rice foods, jello, and meats. I forgot to mention that because of my digestive problems I have a hard time consuming anything dairy. I guess you could say that I'm quite lactose intolerant because eating anything dairy will have me curled up in bed for quite a few hours. I also eat broth soups quite frequently. I do have times though when I cave in and I just HAVE to have the ice cream or chips... that's probably my downfall.

I've been crazy at writing down calories as long as I can remember. I consume roughly 1000-1200 calories a day, which is why this is driving me nuts that I'm not losing weight (in addition to the exercise).

The problem with having fibromyalgia is that any intense physical activity is strongly discouraged. My doctor doesn't even want me to play DDR anymore, but I like it so tough s**t for her. wink Even just taking a 20 minute walk on my bad days can wipe me out and throw me back in bed for the rest of the day. It really sucks.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:50 am


Maybe swimming would be a good excersize? It's low impact so it's great for your body and you can go as slow or as fast as you like.

As for actual food and diet you should probably try talking more with your doc about it. I know that you guys probably usually have more important things to talk about but this is majorly affecting your life as much as anything else so try to make time for it.

It's nice to see you again. It's been awhile and I'm glad you are doing alright overall.

Chalda


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:38 pm


Reivena
Yes, I am constantly tired, but it's because of the fibromyalgia.

What I usually eat now... is eggs, whole wheat breads, rice foods, jello, and meats. I forgot to mention that because of my digestive problems I have a hard time consuming anything dairy. I guess you could say that I'm quite lactose intolerant because eating anything dairy will have me curled up in bed for quite a few hours. I also eat broth soups quite frequently. I do have times though when I cave in and I just HAVE to have the ice cream or chips... that's probably my downfall.

I've been crazy at writing down calories as long as I can remember. I consume roughly 1000-1200 calories a day, which is why this is driving me nuts that I'm not losing weight (in addition to the exercise).

The problem with having fibromyalgia is that any intense physical activity is strongly discouraged. My doctor doesn't even want me to play DDR anymore, but I like it so tough s**t for her. wink Even just taking a 20 minute walk on my bad days can wipe me out and throw me back in bed for the rest of the day. It really sucks.

I know how you feel. I have ALOT of intolerences and one of them is cows milk (not that I follow them that much so I get sick). There are a lot of alternatices nowadays thought I think. But no eggs sadly sad

Exercise wise you could do yoga mabye? Either in a class or a home DVD or video. Yoga tones but I don't think you would get very tired from it.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:23 pm


Atkins diet may contribute to the lack of energy. If you have the money maybe you can see a Dietition or nutritionist to help work this out for you, I'm sorry I can't help you anymore than that <3 good luck.

Anaher-x


Sir_Cathl_Peabody

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:50 pm


Do not weigh yourself for a few months. Running five miles and loosing a half a pound can be discouraging. This is just the way it is, and it will add up in a few months.

Pick out an aerobic exercise routine and stick to it every day, rain or shine. Do it for at least an hour. There are people who have overcome greater obstacles, and do even more exercise than this. Lance Armstrong would be an example.

Just stay committed and remember why you are loosing the weight. Just keep this in mind when you feel like you are too tired and cannot continue exercising.

Stop eating fast food period. Stop eating junk food period. It may be tough at first, but after a week or two, you won't even miss it. Whenever you get some sort of craving, just go for some water or sugarless tea.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:55 pm


Sir_Cathl_Peabody
Do not weigh yourself for a few months. Running five miles and loosing a half a pound can be discouraging. This is just the way it is, and it will add up in a few months.

Pick out an aerobic exercise routine and stick to it every day, rain or shine. Do it for at least an hour. There are people who have overcome greater obstacles, and do even more exercise than this. Lance Armstrong would be an example.

Just stay committed and remember why you are loosing the weight. Just keep this in mind when you feel like you are too tired and cannot continue exercising.

Stop eating fast food period. Stop eating junk food period. It may be tough at first, but after a week or two, you won't even miss it. Whenever you get some sort of craving, just go for some water or sugarless tea.
Reivena, I'll get to your thread ASAP tomorrow.

deadp00l7217


Sir_Cathl_Peabody

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:58 pm


ButterBalls
Reivena, I'll get to your thread ASAP tomorrow.

I turned my PMs on a few hours ago.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:01 pm


Sir_Cathl_Peabody
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Reivena, I'll get to your thread ASAP tomorrow.

I turned my PMs on a few hours ago.
Ah, sorry about that, I'm going to delete the convo and everything. Just wanted to let you know.

deadp00l7217


Leviticus can shove it

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:08 pm


WHOAWHOAWHOA. Depo makes you gain weight?

gonk

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I was thinking of going on depo, but I'm fat enough as it is. I can't afford to gain 30 pounds because I'm too forgetful to take the pill everyday.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:22 pm


Sir_Cathl_Peabody
Pick out an aerobic exercise routine and stick to it every day, rain or shine. Do it for at least an hour. There are people who have overcome greater obstacles, and do even more exercise than this. Lance Armstrong would be an example.
My doctors have told me not to do anything more than walking and stretching. Running even a block has in the past landed me in the hospital and pumped full of painkillers, the pain would be so intense I would literally sometimes hallucinate from it. And yes, there are people who have overcome greater examples, but I wonder if they have the extensive health issues that I do? stare I most certainly am not going to turn into a Lance Armstrong example. While he did have cancer, I have had much more than just that going for me...

While I'm at it, I may as well just post my health problems so you guys can better understand some...
Digestive diseases: stomach cancer (recurred 3 times now), Menetrier's disease, Zollinger-Ellison Syndrome, acid reflux (fixed with laparoscopic nissen fundoplication), hiatal hernia (repaired twice with surgery), esophagitis, Barrett's esophagus (precancerous condition in the esophagus), stomach ulcers, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis. With the medications I'm on, my diet is already very restricted and so any more dieting is very hard.
Fibromyalgia: Many people don't know anything about, or understand this disease so I'll tell you the symptoms I have of it: Extreme fatigue (even after doing simple tasks like folding laundry), irritability, major depression, impaired memory and concentration, frequent nighttime awakening (I'm lucky to sleep more than 45 minutes at a time), random blurring of vision (so much that wearing BOTH contacts and glasses together does nothing), chronic migraines (25+ days a month), widespread, aching pain all over my body (throbbing, stabbing, shooting, etc.), TMJ, complete numbness of my left arm and right hand, constant feelings of bugs crawling all over my skin, endometriosis, excessive mucus production (like having a cold every day of the year that never goes away), my nails don't grow anymore, my hair breaks all the time, constant metallic taste in my mouth, frequent dizziness / vertigo, sensitivity to lights, sounds, smells, chemicals, etc.

Basically where I am at right now I have had doctors saying that I would be lucky to live past 40. I don't know if they are exaggerating or not, but with statements like that sometimes I feel it's selfish to want to be at a normal weight... that I should be thankful that I am just alive more than anything else. I know though that with the dozens of specialists I see, I will never live a normal life again, or if I do it will only be when I am so pumped full of medications that I don't even know who I am anymore.

Sorry for sounding so sour in this post, but I just found out today that I need more stomach surgery.

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Chalda

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:49 pm


Honey you have ever right to want as normal a life as possible and if being smaller is an important part of that for you then you should go for it. You have been through a lot more then most of us can even imagine.

I don't know if you remember but we talked awhile ago about my fiance's hiatus hernia too. I appreciate all your help then. He still has it and they aren't planning on doing the surgery just too keep you updated.
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