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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:12 am
Okay, I'm probably freaking out more than I need to, but I was obsessed about Edward, duh most of are. But I always thought Edward was awesome because that's how he acted as himself, not that he had been putting on a facade. I kinda figured he had to act different in front of Bella when she was human, though, I didn't think he would be that different.
So here's what happened, why I'm so devestated I couldn't look at this passage until now.
I was reading Breaking Dawn ((Spoilers)) and I was getting in to it. I didn't know where I was and just really into the book wanting to know where Edward was taking Bella. So I'm reading really fast and I skim over a passage. I go back and read it, once, twice, three times, then I screamed. I don't know why it hit me so bad, it just didn't seem to fit. Like it wasn't suppose to be there.
Here is the passage:
"A gift. Who gives an island as a gift? I frowned. I hadn't realized that Edward's extreme generosity was a learned behavior."
It just doesn't fit. Everything Bella says about Edward makes him seem like a god. And that's how we see him. This doesn't seem like something she would say, let alone think. I'm still rather angry. Other parts pissed me off too, ((more spoilers)) Jacob imprinting on Renesmee Renesmee? - nuff said Jacob calling her nessie, she has a name. No real fight! Irina dying. - dumb I don't think she should have died. No one else dying, I wanted a happy ending but I also wanted some excitement. I didn't like how Alice was so excluded in the book. Books 1,2,3 - Rawr,
If I say anymore I'm going to kick the computer and I won't be able to read your opinions.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:44 am
this should be in the breaing dawn subforum...
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:35 am
Tacara2011 "A gift. Who gives an island as a gift? I frowned. I hadn't realized that Edward's extreme generosity was a learned behavior." It just doesn't fit. Everything Bella says about Edward makes him seem like a god. And that's how we see him. This doesn't seem like something she would say, let alone think. Maybe not, but it might be something Stephenie would think and say. (So maybe she's falling out of character and into herself in that line.) She only recently had success (and probably money) with the Twilight books, so before that, she was probably a very practical mother who would be critical of someone buying an island. But BD is a fantasy where we get to have things like islands, things we can't get in real life. She may have forgotten that when she wrote the line.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:14 am
Are you serious? That line sounded so Bella to me.
o0;;
She doesn't have to worship the ground he walks on to love him. Just because in that one line she's not swooning over how much of a "Greek God" Edward is doesn't mean it doesn't sound like Bella. There's more to Bella's personality than just Edward. Bella has never liked the fact that Edward spends so much money on gifts (or that he tries to anyway) because she doesn't like him or any of the Cullens spending money on her.
Haha. When she found out Carlisle had given Esme an island....well, it just seemed to fit that she would say: A gift. Who gives an island as a gift? I frowned. I hadn't realized that Edward's extreme generosity was a learned behavior.
I seriously lol'd.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:32 pm
I know that there is way more to Bella's person, but she makes it sound like Edward is so great and that is how we see him. ((Midnight Sun is going to be a wake up call.)) But it was an unexpected corkscrew. I wasn't expecting it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:07 pm
OOOOOO trust me...I think I've pretty much layed out all the cards on teh breaking dawn topic....but for the sake of my sanity, I will quote it from the thread that I typed it on... trust me, it's long. Quote: Ok, here's my take of Breaking Dawn: **Warning!!! SPOILERS FROM HERE ON OUT!** ALSO! This is a really long post with alot of my views of breaking dawn...so beware I didn't hate it. I thought it was ok, but it definately wasn't my favorite. I have to say that it strayed VERY far from the other three books, and I know that she was supposed to get transformed and such, but to me it went a little farther than I would have liked. The whole Bella getting pregnant bit kinda scared me...it was very awkward because it was so out of place...also, the honeymoon was sweet, but awkward. They had sex ALL THE TIME....i mean yea, he's hot and everything, but Bella never used to be so...so open about exposing her naked self to him. I do understand that they're married, but either way it seemed not like Bella. Also, her loving the cottage was strange because wasn't she always the city type? Eh, maybe her time in Forks changed that. I know that it was necessary for Jacob to have a POV, but i thought it sort of ruined it for me...seeing Bella pregnant like that from his eyes made her seem like a stranger to me... also, her pregnancy seemed like a freaking YEAR with all the detail put into it... I would have liked a battle scene, but I was fine with what happened. Well...except for the fact that the meadow scene got so dragged out to the point of boredom...ish....I also didn't like how all of a sudden Bella is a pro at her new accquired "shield" power...it seemed much too conveniant I'm going to bring up this point again just because it bothered me the most: the loss of character. I feel like the characters in the book hit an arupt change at the start of the honeymoon. I couldn't see my Edward the same as I did in the other books. Same with Bella and Jacob. They all seemed...different...in the worst way. Sure, they all talked the same and such, but I still lost my images of them from the book. My only guess as to the reason why is because of the pregnancy and how out of place it seemed, the fact that we saw Jacob in his point of view miserable all the time and being the responsible "alpha", and the fact that Edward and Jacob weren't fighting over Bella anymore. Their whole fued was the main thing in New Moon and especially Eclipse...(by the by, Jacob's whole imprinting episode really freaked me out) I think i liked the more playful Jacob that kept trying to take her away from Edward...it was fun that way And yes, I know that the transformation was supposed to be a real confidence-builder, but Bella's shot up so high that I kinda didn't see the same Bella that I love in there much...that made me sad...and of course Edward just got more and more mushy...really different Maybe I'm being picky, but my mom and sister kind of agree with me. I honestly do love the book, but sometimes I thought that I was reading a really well-written fanfic online with really really bizarre twists that seemed inaccurate to the seires...I also hate change, and there definately was alot of change in the book...ALOT. I actually really loved the parts in the book where Jake and Rose were going at it. It made me laugh. But hey, these are just my views. Really, they don't matter as long as you loved it. I just really want to know if anybody else here agrees with me. yup...there it is...
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:31 am
Tacara2011 I know that there is way more to Bella's person, but she makes it sound like Edward is so great and that is how we see him. ((Midnight Sun is going to be a wake up call.)) But it was an unexpected corkscrew. I wasn't expecting it. I know she makes Edward sound amazing (even though I don't see him that way, I'll agree with you on that's how he's portrayed) but I don't see how that line was an "unexpected corkscrew". It sounds just like Bella to me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:49 pm
I'd have to agree with pretty much everything everyone has said so far. There are a few exceptions, but I don't care.
However, I do agree that Renesmee is a bit of a mouthful-thank God Jacob figured that one out quickly!
Which leads me to the point that I most disagreed with you not-liking:Jacobg imprinting on her.
It was the best thing that happened in the whole series! Finally, everyone can relax a bit! And it leaves room for Jacob-fans like me to start liking Edward again! I was so happy for Jacob!
I was actually kind of hating the book till that part. Then it got better.
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:14 pm
al Sircar I'd have to agree with pretty much everything everyone has said so far. There are a few exceptions, but I don't care. However, I do agree that Renesmee is a bit of a mouthful-thank God Jacob figured that one out quickly! Which leads me to the point that I most disagreed with you not-liking:Jacobg imprinting on her. It was the best thing that happened in the whole series! Finally, everyone can relax a bit! And it leaves room for Jacob-fans like me to start liking Edward again! I was so happy for Jacob! I was actually kind of hating the book till that part. Then it got better. Really? You sound like my opposite on some points. I didn't like Book One, but Book Two was a major step up and I was loving it until the imprinting. No, dear God, no. Then it was all downhill from there.
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:39 pm
I liked Breaking Dawn. I didn't feel as if the characters were changed, just evolved. It is called a dynamic character. Static characters are those that remain the same throughout an entire series.
The honeymoon was a little wierd to me, but that is because I am a pretty conservative person. And the story says that Edward kept her occupied doing anything but having sex after the first time. The book just didn't focus on these things because they did not progress the story or the characters. The first time, and then Bella convincing Edward to do it a second time, showed a shift in thier relationship, and was therefore shown. The hour long snorkel around the Island was not important and therefore was only mentioned in passing.
Bella getting pregnant did weird me out, but it weirded everyone in the series out aswell, if you didn't notice. And the explenation did make sense. Of course a large portion of the book is going to focus on the pregnancy, since it puts the main character, Bella, in danger and causes the relationships between Jacob, the Pack, Edward, and the rest of the Cullens to change. The child also is what causes the main conflict in the story to occur. The birth is a big deal to those in the story, especially Jacob as it turns out he imprints on her. And since it is told from his point of view, the pregnancy of Bella and the birth of his imprint would be things that he would tend to focus on.
Jacob's point of view was an excellent idea. Since Bella getting pregnant was central to the book (see above) it needed to be portrayed. Stephenie said that she did originally write the entire story from Bella's point of view. She said that the entire pregnancy scene was actually extreamly boring like that, and Bella was recieving all of the information pertaining to shifting character relationships from reports by different people. Think about it, do any of you really want to read chapter after chapter of Bella sitting on a couch being beat up by the kid inside her and being told everything that is going on somewhere else? Stephenie said that after realizing how boring this portion was she noticed that most of the action occured with or around Jacob. It therefore would be logical to write that section from his point of view. It also gives Team Jacob something to celebrate about, although I don't think that was her intention when writing it. Besides, it defines Jacobs character a little more and shows you why he thinks and acts a certain way. Being Team Jacob myself, I loved this section.
Jacob imprinting on Nessie (sorry Bella, I refuse to call her by that other name) makes alot of sense when you think about it. Jacob liked Bella and was so drawn to her because she was so close to Jacob's perfect match, his solemate. And, like he said, that was why despite everything he couldn't leave her while she was pregnant. While it is slightly upsetting that Jacob is off of the market, as it were, Team Jacob fans such as myself can be happy that Jacob gets his happily ever after. This also serves as a way to tie the packs back together and gives them a reason to aid the Cullens later in the book. It resolves many of the conflicts present in the story, and Bella and Jacob can be friends again. Everyone gets their happy ending.
No fight. Does every story have to have a Hamlet ending where all of the main characters fall over and die in a blaise of glory? The Cullens are pacifist by nature if any vampire can be called such. It makes sense they would try to avoid the fight even if they could win with no casualties of their own. They veiw the Volturi as a necessary evil. Without the Volturi vampires would be lawless, more humans would die, and vampires would risk being exposed. If there had been a fight, no matter who won, there would have been many casualties on both sides. Besides, knowing the Volturi from previous books, it makes sense that they would not risk their entire coven, law, and power over a few talented vampires. Especially since it is likely that in doing so they would lose some of their current talented vampires. No law had been broken, so they had no basis for the attack. Even if they did win the fight with few casualties, the unbased attack would lead other vampires into considering revolt against them. It makes sense both sides chose to go their seperate ways.
Renesmee. I really don't like this name, but Nessie is cute. I love that name for her. Thanks Jake.
Alice not being in the book. This added tension and thus increased the impact of the climax of the book. It was literary genious to have the psychic supposedly run away to save herself, making it seem almost hopeless. And obviously she wasn't innactive during the story, she was tracking down the other half-vampires. You are just mad you couldn't know everything that was going on. Besides, she couldn't be in the honeymoon anymore than she was with the underwear for obvious reasons. It was a honeymoon. She wasn't gone for more than a third of the book, most of which she would not have been in anyway.She had a big part in the beginning with the wedding, and then at the end she got to unexpectedly save the day. What more do you want?
Over all I thought it was a great book.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:39 am
Tacara2011 Okay, I'm probably freaking out more than I need to, but I was obsessed about Edward, duh most of are. But I always thought Edward was awesome because that's how he acted as himself, not that he had been putting on a facade. I kinda figured he had to act different in front of Bella when she was human, though, I didn't think he would be that different. So here's what happened, why I'm so devestated I couldn't look at this passage until now. I was reading Breaking Dawn ((Spoilers)) and I was getting in to it. I didn't know where I was and just really into the book wanting to know where Edward was taking Bella. So I'm reading really fast and I skim over a passage. I go back and read it, once, twice, three times, then I screamed. I don't know why it hit me so bad, it just didn't seem to fit. Like it wasn't suppose to be there. Here is the passage: "A gift. Who gives an island as a gift? I frowned. I hadn't realized that Edward's extreme generosity was a learned behavior." It just doesn't fit. Everything Bella says about Edward makes him seem like a god. And that's how we see him. This doesn't seem like something she would say, let alone think. I'm still rather angry. Other parts pissed me off too, ((more spoilers)) Jacob imprinting on Renesmee Renesmee? - nuff said Jacob calling her nessie, she has a name. No real fight! Irina dying. - dumb I don't think she should have died. No one else dying, I wanted a happy ending but I also wanted some excitement. I didn't like how Alice was so excluded in the book. Books 1,2,3 - Rawr, If I say anymore I'm going to kick the computer and I won't be able to read your opinions. Agree with everything.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:50 am
Moving to the Breaking Dawn forum. If your post is mainly about only one of the books, please place it in that forum. And guys, we see the stuff in time. We know when it goes in the other forums. If that's all you have to say, don't just bump the thread.
heart Alisox
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