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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:09 am
I'm generally pro-death as a matter of principle (Too many humans on this planet), but I have some concerns:
1. The obvious racism involved means black men are way more likely to be put to death than whites for the same crimes.
2. That we are willing to allow things like a man being put to death even though his lawyer slept through most of the trial. You can't convince me that he was fairly represented. similarly, I'm not convinced someone with an IQ of 75 or below can adequately aid their own defense.
3. The innocence project has found an alarming number of people on death row who didn't do it and would have been executed if they hadn't paid for DNA tests.
I've got mixed feeling on the ethically of the death penalty generally, but it is clear to me that our government can not be trusted with something like this judging by past performance.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:23 am
I'm opposed to the death penalty in all circumstances. It is the duty of the State to protect the lives of its citizens, not to take those lives. Period.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:10 am
I'm for the death penalty but my resolve has been shaken, the more I think about it.
There is no real deterrent effect from killing them so it is mainly a revenge act. However there are some acts and people which simply should not happen.
I think the burden of proof should have to be astronomically sky high for the death penalty to be used. It would be historic cases only.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:32 pm
Killing people to demonstrate that killing people is wrong? I just don't get it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:01 am
Spoot, I started out where you did and ended up here.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:36 pm
Probably one of the few topics I'm conservative about. I am pro death penalty with some alterations. 1) Eliminate appeals or at least limit it to 1. Not only would that make it cheaper for the state, keep people moving on death row (if you appeal you can't be put to death until after your trial) and make things fair. After all if you can't be retried for a crime then why should you be able to if you've been convicted? It's certainly not fair. Also, the amount of people who are innocent on death row is very small. There will ALWAYS be a small percentage of people wrongly convicted, but the fact is, that percentage is very, very small and with new forensic techniques it's getting smaller. 2) Criminals on death row should be killed in the same manor that they killed their victims. Not only would that deter people from killing people, but I'm sure if they do choose to kill someone they will do it quickly and with as little pain as possible.
The racism issue is a huge deal and needs to be dealt with. Make it equal with the same equal consequences. You do have to understand that black men are more likely to commit a crime then white men.
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:53 am
I am for the death penalty. But I think it should only be administered when guilt is proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. A new idea I have thought of is that some criminals could choose the death penalty as an option for themselves. Rather than being imprisoned for years, he could opt out and choose to be executed instead. But that is only if the criminal hasn't commited a crime bad enough that he shouldn't get any say over his future. I don't believe in simple prison for life though. It serves no purpose except to keep the criminals alienated from society.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:53 pm
I'm pretty much with Spoot here. Such positions as Vajapocalypse alienate me further from thinking it to be a good idea.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:00 am
Aino Ailill I'm pretty much with Spoot here. Such positions as Vajapocalypse alienate me further from thinking it to be a good idea. Some people are their own worst enemies in debate.
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