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October Breeze

PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:29 pm


I'm just trying to make sense of this here. I am very confused.
Although it's not a huge spoiler since this comes up in the first book of BD, I have a question on a vampire's makeup.

Stephenie Meyer - I THOUGHT - made it very clear that the only fluids within a vampire's body is the venom (not counting the blood they drink). So, keeping that in mind, how is it possible that Edward had sperm to impregnate Bella?

Am I missing something here or did Stephenie throw logic out the window?
Actually after reading BD that wouldn't surprise me much. :/
PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:42 pm


I'm wondering the same thing, but oh well, what's written is written, what's done is done...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:39 am


You~! Person above me! Is your name suppose to be a reference to Grease? <3

Anyways, yes. SMeyer did throw her own logic out of the window. Worst part of the whole book, breaking her own self-imposed laws.
I guess vampire venom is that special! blaugh ::gags::
She nevers makes anything clear in the first place, so I guess that's her excuse. That and that she writes the books mainly for herself and made all of this up after a dream she had and didn't bother to properly plan. I read that somewhere in an interview that she didn't really plan things out.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:45 am


    No one can be sure about that.
    >w<

    Stephenie has planned out what was going to happen the moment she found out that she was going to be making a sequel. So, the story has been in her head for a while.

    However, since it IS her vampire logic, I think she has the right to play with it as she will. x3

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:51 am


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Yeah it is... 3nodding biggrin
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:04 pm


It wasn't even explained in the book why it happened gonk

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:33 am


I think she should have clarified it better.
At first she says they only have venom in their body's, but no the guys can have sperm too? What?
It's just really confusing.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:06 pm


Don't kill me, but I think she did explain it sorta well. I'm still sorta iffy about the fact that Bella gets pregnant, but Meyer only said vampires couldn't get pregnant, didn't she? And Bella does muse on the fact that males are basically fertile their whole lives after puberty, and that a female's body is constantly changing, and that which allows them to reproduce. That part just really sucks for female vampires (and Leah.)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:00 pm


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Don't kill me, but I think she did explain it sorta well. I'm still sorta iffy about the fact that Bella gets pregnant, but Meyer only said vampires couldn't get pregnant, didn't she? And Bella does muse on the fact that males are basically fertile their whole lives after puberty, and that a female's body is constantly changing, and that which allows them to reproduce. That part just really sucks for female vampires (and Leah.)

But SMeyer stated in an interview that all bodily fluids are replaced with venom and that's where the question comes up. If all fluids are venom now, how did Bella get pregnant?
In a PC with the Twilight Lexicon, SMeyer states:
Quote:
"Most human fluids are absent in my vampires. No sweat, no tears, no blood besides that which they ingest–they don’t have their own blood. They do sort of have saliva–the venom makes their mouths wet, at least. When they drink blood, it runs through their body and makes them strong. It floods through their old blood ways, though they don’t have circulation anymore. "

It does say "most", which does give some room to say they still have semen, but...
Quote:
"When someone becomes a vampire, it’s as if they are frozen exactly as they are in that moment. His or her (and we’ll go with her because it’s more central to this discussion) body no longer experiences change."

she says that a vampire is frozen. Sperm normally die quickly and are replaced by the human body creating more, but if the body is frozen, how does it create more?
Quote:
"If a vampire were cut, there would only be blood if he/she had freshly drunk blood (and drunk a lot). Otherwise, there would only be a bit of venom. It would be like cutting into granite."

So with all this, it seems like venom is the only thing. Also, how do vampires have sex in the first place if they're so much like granite?
SMeyer has some holes to fill here. :/
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:11 pm


Yeah the whole pregnant thing was kinda ruined for me because right before the book was released we were talking about the whole fluids/venom thing in this guild! It would have been better if we hadn't of heard about it. And not just hear but from the interview.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:10 pm


October Breeze
Am I missing something here or did Stephenie throw logic out the window?


That's more or less the consensus.

I do wish she had cleared this up more. I guess she was running under the "oh, it's never happened, we have no idea either" umbrella with the Cullens. I do remember reading a fanfic that said that held that some fluids may hang around, specifically, sperm.

I also remember another fanfic in which Edward was searching for condoms because he didn't was to put venom in her system...I really wish that could have been true.
I don't really like how the story turned out, and I feel like she could have taken it in a much better, less confusing direction.

Que sera sera, I guess.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:28 pm


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She did mess up there, hypocrit. Psh, I do love her still.
A logical explanation would be, Edward kept that fluid in for over a century. Even after he became a vampire and his vampire venom mixed with it, he didn't bother to .. deal with it.
'Till Bella came along.. and that happened.
Therefore we would assume he would be running on empty from there on...

Something that is obviously contradicted later on in the book near the very end. : | (vampire guy making bunch of semi vamps the same way)


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Or Let's say, vampire venom is orgasmically multi functional! xd

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:08 pm


Edward... was a incubus. Not a regular Vampire. Or rather, a sort of incubus that Meyer changed to fit what she wanted.


Quote:
"In Western medieval legend, an incubus (plural incubi) is a demon in male form supposed to lie upon sleepers, especially women, in order to have sexual intercourse with them. It was believed to do this in order to spawn other incubi." (Wikipedia)


Meyer sort of went over that fact when Bella remembered seeing the Incubi and Succubi on the A-Z List of Vampires in the first book.

Meyer also didn't say anything about their other fluids being venomous since the only fluid that most normal Vampires have is saliva, other then the blood they drink. But if the Vampires in her books were really a sort of Incubi Vampire, then they would have had to have had semen, that could reproduce.

Anyways, it was technically venomous, just... not in the way you guys are thinking. I mean, Nessie did turn out Half Vampire, Didn't she? She has the venom in her body, it just doesn't infect her blood.

((Hope that made sense, my mind is a little all over the place. I understand it, I just don't explain things too well.))



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And Stephenie said that she never said that a vampire couldn't get a human pregnant. She said that a female vampire couldn't get pregnant, but said nothing about a human. Apparently, we were all putting words in her mouth...
So, Stephenie technically didn't go back on what she said.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:06 am


They didn't know that vampires ahd sperm until bella got pregnant. Soo they thought that venom was the only fluid. Then they were proven wrong. That's my theory anyways.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:58 pm


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Quote:
"When someone becomes a vampire, it’s as if they are frozen exactly as they are in that moment. His or her (and we’ll go with her because it’s more central to this discussion) body no longer experiences change."

she says that a vampire is frozen. Sperm normally die quickly and are replaced by the human body creating more, but if the body is frozen, how does it create more?

I see some logic there. Obviously the body is frozen, it can't create anymore sperm. But what about sperm that was already there? It's possible that they were frozen along with the body. Somehow it came out of Edward's body and into Bella's.
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