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ExaI3

PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:27 am


Before anyone reads this you may see a lot of grammatical errors, spelling mistakes, and run on sentences. Also if you are very religious and you feel as though this is an abomination do not read this because I do not want to hurt you spiritually. I will say that before you comment about my statement that you read it first and understand my perspective a bit before making a bad remark.


The fact that we have altered the planet so much is proof of this cities, dams, canals, and animals. We have manipulated chemicals to do specific things we want them to do by experimenting with various elements.We have created life and taken life. We have manipulated the things already here and hasn't the god Christan based religions manipulated things to create life and the universe.


Who knows we might be descendants of the creator of life and are given a portion of his powers to pass on to our children weakening the powers of each person as more children are born. It's kind of like genetics a trait in a family gets passed each generation but get a little bit weaker each time a child is born because a part of it has to brake off of the original and continue to newer generations. For example the gene for people called gingers is said to be dying out and for something to die out it must get weaker as it gets passed on until it eventually disappears. That means we may have the smallest bit of god inside of us leaving space for ungodly traits to start filling the empty space that can explain why we kill one another, envy others, jealousy, fear, hatred, and the list continues a long way. Maybe the 10 commandments for example explains some of the traits we have lost along the line and need to regain by trying to fix the so called sins.


Now that I've discussed church a bit this leads to priests, bishops, monks, cardinals, and so on. These people claim to have connections with god maybe they do maybe they don't. How I see this is some of them may be enlightened and some of them are trying to deceive you into believing their ideas without you delving deep into your mind and making your own statement about god. Some people believe they have psychic visions and glimpses into the future and communications with spirits.(I.E. Deja Vau, psychics, and mediums) These people may have a greater piece of god within them allowing them to see the future of others and them selves. By seeing these futures it allows them to manipulate what will happen. These visions can be changed or caused to happen based on their actions. For example they tell someone what happened and the person completely avoids the accident with the information they know. Or the person thinking the other person having the vision is lying follow the exact actions in the vision causing it to happen not saying all of these visions are bad.


Now to mediums these people are believed to commune with spirits. The ability to commune with spirits allows them to know what has happened in the past. Now you may think just saying knowing about the past just means events well it partly does. Parts of those events are actions that happened like the death of someone, a vow for revenge, or anything I'm not an expert. Now some ghosts may linger trying to redeem themselves or many reasons. I bet your saying whats the importance of communing with ghosts and how does it deal with me being god? Well the importance can be significant because it could very well alter your life with the knowledge they pass onto you. If ghosts are haunting they might be trying to pass on their story so someone knows knows what they went through or they are just abusing the powers that let them stay on the planet after death.


Now knowing that you are a descendant of god you can use this to uplift your spirit and confidence to change your life more. How I think of this is knowing that I am god I can change peoples lives. Imagine that you carved out the grand canyon and it's divinely beautiful vista. The graceful beasts that roam the planet. The magnificent oceans and the most precious gift of all sound. Just to feel this empowerment inside you can compel to help the others who are more filled with hate inside of them and use their powers to damage the world and themselves who have a part of god inside of them. Without knowing it how you act to one person may effect the whole world. How that works is you do something to someone and their emotion can alter another persons and that passes on to another person they know and it keeps continuing. Knowing this you could completely alter lives and the world. This can go to building buildings and so on.


My final statement is that you use your life to help others feel better you are god! You can change the world but it may be a challenge you never know.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:32 am


breathtaking, i've never heard it put better
that in a nutshell is why this guild was started and i applaud you for your commendable speech
my colleagues and i all want to spread that word, but we have decided that preaching religion turns away more than it converts, so we try to keep that at bay while trying to make them see the light before they see the source

good intentions make powerful enemies, so we have to stand strong, remember that

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ExaI3

PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:17 am


Thank you very much.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:31 pm


I'm not going to rag on what you believe. I am a Mormon, and so I will tell you a few things.

1) We beleive that we are literally sons and daughters of God. We are his children, and were given the choice to come to earth and gain physical bodies, so that we may understand our Heavenly Father's happiness.

2) We beleive that our mission here on earth and in life is to prepare ourselves, and to prove ourselves worthy, so that we may become as our Heavenly Father. Meaning, becoming Gods.

3) Everyone is in contact with the power of God at all times. But, there are those who have earnes more authority than others. A Bishop will have much more spiritual authority than a Deacon.

4) The spiritual Prison and Paradise, the spirit world, life after death, is always in contact with the world we live in today. So ghosts exist, yes, and those are the spirits of the dead. There are bad ones, and good ones. But, yes, there are spirits.

So, neat! You've got a lot of what we believe!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:43 pm


my only complaints to mormons are.....there is only one God
i will always be a SERVENT of god, not a God incarnate
Jesus Christ was the bridge between us, we say god sacrificed his ONLY son for a reason
no one can command more authority spiritually than any one else
a title is an earthly posession, given to humans by humans, it means nothing in the eyes of god, only faith and devotion matter to the heavenly father
and yes, heaven, hell, and earth are intertwined, bridges form everyday only unknown to ungifted senses
these are my beliefs
take them or deny them
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:25 pm


We believe God's plan is for us to be like him. That is why he offered us the chance to come here, so we can be like him. It says so in the bible, too. That we are to become like him. What is God, but a god?

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Zetao

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:01 am


The thing about religion is they're all different. People interpret things differently. Each and every one. Which are why there are so many religions. You shouldn't have to preach or force your religion on somone; because they most likelly already have one. And no one can say one religion is better than another (yes there are more popular ones...but that could very easily have been different if hundreds of years ago monarchs hadn't made up religions, or centuries before that if people hadn't written the bible )

And part I thought about before ...the "gingers" you mentioned ( do you mean red headed people?) and the whole degredation of DNA allowing sins to form.

It's a unique idea. But you didn't mention evolution. Some of that degredation (and reformation , I'd like to add) is for the GoOd too! ^.^ And hey did you know? People mutated with blond hair so they would be easier to spot while hunting and therefore be less likely to be hurt by accident!

But yeah not everyone needs to believe the same thing to end up happy or in heaven. And I'm glad to see such unique ideas coming around. (Its pretty funny too how what you talked about and morman -ism (?sp) could be so similar! ^.^ But its the little differences that make people's beliefs right for them.)

BTW thx for the explanation of what being morman is about Lan. I honestly didn't know.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:10 pm


not many ppl DO know what mormons are
we as humans have stopped evolving
natural selection has ceased
the reason animals evolve is because only the ones best adapted to survive do
nowaday, the ppl with money and power make the rules and everyone is determined for lives to not be lost in any way
i'm not cold hearted, but if someone WANTS evolution to occur, then they should be against letting ppl flawed extremely physically or mentally genetically to pass on those bad genes, i'm fine with wanting to protect family, friends and everyone, but all i'm saying the cost of preserving these lives is the adaptation of our species
and i believe that god wanted us to be like jesus, to live more pure than how we do
if we really were capable of becoming gods, why are we capable of hurting our souls with sin? God is pure, God is good, God does not sin
if we can sin, and we do, we cannot be gods
i'm letting him defend his faith, and i'm defending mine, i'm not trying to start an arguement, just a debate

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Zetao

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:43 am


Not to burst a bubble, but as the earth changes, so to does everything on it. People ARE still evolving (slowly of course as it's always been)
ALLERGIES are considered to be part of natural selection, as people can and do die from them.
Also skulls are becoming larger and people are being born with smaller jaws and no wisdom teeth.

"the reason animals evolve is because only the ones best adapted to survive do " this IS and always has been true (for humans too-> this is why people develop immunities and actually LOSE allergies)

As for people with power that unfortunately is true ...just wait, they'll get what's theirs someday. Especially when they become responsible for killing the better part of the planet.

Also because people practice medicine-> people are saved. Did you ever think that if we didn't mess around with this stuff we wouldn't be able to find cures? This is an ultimate goal of medicine and if we can cure/eliminate things there will be no ""bad genes". There's also the fact that some bad genes have a reason to be.

Also, letting someone with a "flaw" as you put it , just die in an attempt to protect the future genetic pool would in my book be just as bad as rounding them up and sending them off to live in a desert with no water. There will always be people with defects, whether natural or un-natural.
People's genes will mutate and create/recreate mutations! People will get in car accidents, fall off ladders, save children from burning buildings and devlop mental difficulties, enter coma's , need amputations!

As for people with diseases like AIDS (yes I know not very original of me)
They can take precautions and still live productive lives for society. There will unfortunately be people who pass this disease on, due to uneducation or misbeliefs over this disease. Until people step up to HELP instead of judge, or until an AFFORDABLE cure is found (or actually just released stare damn drug companies) then not much can be done.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:31 pm


yes, but when we have artificial cures for everything, our bodies stop protecting themselves from it
the earth may be changing but we as humans are making it so we don't have to deal with it, and how do you thing the ppl in power will get whats coming to them? fiscally their lives are worth more than ours so even our so called "just courts" will treat them with more compassion than us, and if they destroy the planet or most of it, who is going to have the money to isolate themselves from the problem and survive it? the rich
it is not evolution when we use artificial fixes for a problem now, and then because the problem and not the cure is in our genes, our children will have the same problem
making a cure for something just makes it that much more deadly, because the bacteria/viruses mutate to be resistant and harder to kill through TRUE natural selection
if a say.....smallpox virus escaped, we have no natural immunities to it because we so called killed it in earlier generations, and it would kill millions before we could isolate it and beat it again, and while i don't see any less costly solution than hoping for the best after we stopped vaccinating ppl, it's not a sure fix and i'm just trying to open ppls minds to the fact that everything that we have accomplished in this world is flawed in some way, and we can't ever "let other people worry about it" like is the mentality so often, because if we didn't let ourselves get too confortable like we have done, we wouldn't be able to be herded like cattle by the ppl in charge

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Zetao

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:23 pm


First of all cures / immunizations aid the body in forming their OWN ANTIBODIES. Therefore not an artificial cure.

Mutating viruses are a problem, but if we didn't have medicine they'd mutate anyway as A: people developped natural immunities
or B: It killed off it's host race and had to move onto another.

Also smallpox was beaten because it has a vaccination. It can't break out again. Even if it did. YOU (unless you're family doeesn't believe in this kind of thing) have already been vaccinated.

As for the rich when the economy falls apart money won't mean anything and they'll run out if things to barter soon enough. In fact because of the lives they lead they'll be at a disadvantage as for aquiring menial labor type skills.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:09 pm


as far as the cures/immunities/whatever, we've reached a moot point, no point in getting hostile so i'm just going to end that
and the rich will have plenty more than the rest of us
they'll last a heck of a lot longer if it comes down to bartering crap, and as far as working goes, short of a nuclear war, they'll just move to a different country where they'll be aristocrats yet again

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Zetao

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:35 am


Well , there's not too much we can do about that now is there? ^.^
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:13 pm


nope, not a thing we can do
the rich get richer and the poor get poorer
thats the way the world works

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:02 pm


Well, Black Ice, we strive every day to be like Jesus, the only perfect man to ever walk the earth. And, we don't get to be sinless until we reach the afterlife. The afterlife is another step in the journey. Even after we die, we struggle to learn, to stop sinning. It is possible to become sinless, though it's extremely difficult, the most difficult thing we, as humans, can do. I meant Spiritual Gods, after we die. After we are ressurected.

And, as for that last comment, "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer
thats the way the world works", not exactly true. There are things we can do, but, unfortunately, as my mother says, "Money talks, bull s**t walks". The world is more likely to listen to the rich than the poor. But, nothing is impossible.

And, Zetao, here is something that, as far as I know, no other religion states.

The 11th article of faith.
"We claim the privilage of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

meaning, that we Mormons wish that people will come to our faith, which we believe to be the true church of Jesus Christ, but will not force others or condemn others for not sharing our belief. As long as you have God in your life, you're fine.
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