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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:20 pm
NASCAR has issued a...well here it is.
"At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore spacing less than 4.470 inches must compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.125-inch diameter holes. At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more must compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.100-inch diameter holes. Unless otherwise authorized, the carburetor restrictor will be issued by NASCAR." -- Amendment to Section 20A -- 5.10.4, Nationwide Series Rule Book
I think it is fair, but NASCAR is singling out TOYOTA and that isn't right. But on the other hand they put the rule in place for all cars.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:30 pm
i don't care for toyota, they drove the costs up just like jack roush predicted they would.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:25 am
They don't bother me, but I like them more than Dodge, so yeah. Ha, as I type this post, I am watching the 2000 Brickyard 400 that Bobby Labonte won.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:10 pm
I'm clocking 42 hours at my jobs the next four days so i don't get the luxury of watching nascar, or doing much of anything.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:18 pm
Kurokage Sanada I'm clocking 42 hours at my jobs the next four days so i don't get the luxury of watching nascar, or doing much of anything. I've done that, it sucks. Do you work inside or outside?
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:09 pm
Soultrain Kurokage Sanada I'm clocking 42 hours at my jobs the next four days so i don't get the luxury of watching nascar, or doing much of anything. I've done that, it sucks. Do you work inside or outside? Yes I know you kinda like elderwood, and BW's sucks, but at least it's inside, out of all the rain we've had. Hey it's still money, tools tools tools. I only get one day off a week pushing carts at the most productive supermarket in its chain of companies. I like my job, don't get me wrong, but you have to be fit and healthy to do it right.
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Triple Homicide Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:42 pm
NASCAR once again makes sure the only manufacturer not hit by any restrictions in as long as I can remember, is Chevrolet (aside from Dodge, because after this summer, I realized how shitty Dodges are so really the only problem with Dodge is Dodge itself xd )
The last notable one came a couple of years ago when NASCAR announced that there would be a 4 car team limit starting in 2009. And who did that effect. One team and one manufacturer. Roush Racing and Ford. After Fords drove to 16 victorys in 2005, this rule was put in place.
But the past couple of years, it's been Chevrolet that has firmly been the dominant manufacturer. And last year, Hendrick Motorsports runs away with Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson finishing 1-2 in points, running away from everyone else with a huge margin, winning 6 races in a row in the chase, and 18 races overall and NASCAR looks at that and says, "Oh...look at that."
But now it's Toyota's year, so now that Chevrolet is falling well out of contention in Cup and Nationwide in the manufacturers standings, and only one point ahead of Toyota in the Truck series, NASCAR tells everyone they would have to make certain modifications to their engines depending on the bore of the cylenders. When really, it only affects Toyota.
I think this is bullshit. Toyota went out and decided to research a good legal engine package, while the other three manufacturers sat around and hardly did s**t about they're own engine packages, while they're teams struggled to battle with Toyota. Given the reputation of Ford, Chev and Dodge, I think Toyota mopping the floor with their racing teams would be a good kick in the pants to Ford Chev and Dodge to smarten them up a little bit.
I am a firm believer that if someone goes out of their way, to increase their own level of competition while staying within' the rules, all power to em. They worked hard for it, they deserve it.
I especially hate the part where NASCAR decided to make this transition in mid season. I just don't see how that's fair to guys like David Reutimann, who have more or less stayed in contention all season long. All of a sudden that LEGAL engine package they've been using all season isn't so legal anymore. How does that effect the moral of your team now? How does that effect the way you set up your cars every week. Any telemetry they have from going to races a second time this season is now bullshit. Why? Because a loss of 10-12 horsepower might not seem like much, but it is.
If NASCAR really wants to level the playing field among teams and manufacturers, they might try starting with a maximum number of cars a MANUFACTURER is allowed to field. In 2006 and 2007, it was no fun at all to watch a bunch of bowties run up front in every race, while the other manufacturers struggled. This year, the situation was reversed, but with this rule change it conveniently falls in favor of Chevrolet once again.
That's just my opinion though.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:40 pm
Well, it is only going against the NNS cars, and I do agree with you.
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:58 pm
What makes me laugh, is that NASCAR did that and the next race, a TOYOTA had the most dominating run of the year. It's not just the cars anymore, so take that and shove it up your a#s Clint Bowyer. I have never liked Bowyer and I didn'y even know why before, "I can see clearly now that the smoke is gone"
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:18 pm
I think toyota has a lot of money, which results in advanced research and development while gm, ford, and dodge don't have any money and are cutting back on everything. Clint bowyer's going to win the championship anyway.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:34 pm
I'm not sure about Clint winning the championship. Brad Keselowski is doing great and slowly gaining points. Clint probably has the best chance though.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:41 pm
if a chevy or a ford doesn't win the championship i will be very disappointed.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:15 am
Kurokage Sanada if a chevy or a ford doesn't win the championship i will be very disappointed. Toyota may be good, but they are too inconsistent to win a championship yet. It will be a chevy.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:44 am
Kurokage Sanada if a chevy or a ford doesn't win the championship i will be very disappointed. Thats the way its been for the last few decades.... stare Ford, Dodge, Toyota all seem to be restricted in every form and way... but GM's brands haven't been restricted since the 60's evil (Well once you cut the fact that they can't use the c7 engine in the nationwide series) ..... not even after the dominant performance from both Buick and Olds a couple of decades ago... And once again Nascar is going to punish those who oppose them. Now I could care less for Jack's baby attitude over the last few years towards anything wrapped around Toyota... even though since he was held at chief of Ford's top tier team it has resulted at little succes this season or last...or the year before for that matter... stare ... My dad is an oldschool Mark fan , and I like to tease him about it alot. But next year I am strictly rooting for Mark just so that he can slap Ford and Jack in the face with a champioship in a Chevy xp . This will teach both Ford , and Dodge (my favorite brand to let you know) that it not only takes horsepower to make a winner but structure in your family aswell. Just look at how ordered the Chevy and Toyota camps are exclaim They share and link drivers, notes, tests, sponsors, crews throughout the entire racing ensemble. I'm a diehard Dodge fan... but even I realize the lack of leadership in Dodge. Ray is the only halfway leader... and even he can't hang with the big leagues week in and week out... Ford has let Jack run rampant leaving another Bud Morre and H&M situation to relive itself. He has utterly monopolized the entire Ford economy.. he was the main culprit in all of this recent explosion of Busc... I mean Nationwide claim jumpers (...yeah they really need to work on that one rolleyes )So I ask this guild ... what will it take to open the other manufacters blind eyes to finally work as a well rooted tree in racing? Lets be honest with ourselves.. Chevy is a ragged bulldog in terms of fairness ... but if you really look at what they have accomplshed... it is far greater than other organization has every even dreamed of in racing... better than the Carl K years in the 50's and the Hemi's of the 60's... Toyota with each and every day is not just spending money all willy nilly but spending it with a clean head.. and not like Jack or Dodge have done with hollywood expensures but in a overall team band to work together to win. Jack is just mad because he can't do it also ... sweatdrop ... So really who is to blame for Chevy and Toyota's succes... them ... or the other manufactures for not balancing their organizations... question
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:59 am
That really opens the eyes. It is Ford and Dodges fault. Jack needs to stop bitching and work in his departments to make them better. Toyota is not spending a crapload of money in the series, just spending it where they need to. I don't even know where to start with Dodge...
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