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 Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:32 am
One of the most controversial (dare I say taboo?) debate topics.
Debate Spoon:
Is abortion acceptable to you?
Why or why not?
Would YOU have an abortion or support a loved one in getting one?
Baby Spoon:
Do you believe that birth control pills are a form of abortion?
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:04 am
This question was asked before, and I always thought I had the perfect answer each and every time. I used to say "No! It's wrong!" and of course, to many people it is. It's taking a life from somebody, even if it is an unborn child, still a form of murder. Some people may say what I had said, but I believe that if they were brought into that situation that their decisions might change.
Now, don't get me wrong; there are many people who are very loyal to their word, yet there are also people who state the fact that abortion is wrong, and then they are thrown into making a decision. What will they decide? Nobody except that person truly knows what they're going to do, and even then, they aren't too sure themselves.
Personally... I cannot answer this question to defend one side, for that would make me a hypocrite either way. I cannot clearly state "abortion is wrong" or "abortion isn't wrong" because, I know, were I placed in somebody else's shoes who had to make a decision whether to keep a child or not, I would be torn.
A lot of people want to complete their dreams without having to worry about another life. People also don't want to feel the guilt and cruelty of taking the life from another human in that manner. Abortion is, I think, one of the toughest decisions to make, unless you already had a plan set up before then.
Now, just to make it easier for those who do not wish to read my lengthy contribution, I am neutral with abortion. I am neither for it nor against it... I see both sides and am open minded equally.
As for birth control, I wouldn't call it a form of abortion because with it you are attempting to prevent pregnancy, and you are not aborting a child. I believe it is two completely different things and should not be viewed in the same behaviour.
[MADE AN EDIT---edit is in bold]
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:33 am
Taking human rights into account, it is never the case that a person has a right to make a decision with no reference to the rights and wishes of others. What about if the father or grandparents want the child to be born? More importantly, what about the child’s right to life? What is more important than life? All other rights, including the mother’s right to choice, surely stem from a prior right to life; if you have no right to any life, then how do you have a right to an autonomous one? Just because YOU have life doesn't mean you should be able to decide if someone else lives or dies. Unborn children cannot articulate their right to life.
Life is sacred, inviolable and absolute. It is unquestionable that the foetus, at whatever stage of development, will inevitably develop the traits that newborns have. The unborn child will have every ability, and every opportunity that we have, if given the opportunity.
In other words... Pro life. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:56 am
I see what you're saying, crystal, and there isn't much I can say against it or for it. Inside I cling to the idea you have presented and am for it, though there are other parts of me that don't really give it. It's difficult for me to explain, and I've had a personal problem that I would rather not mention, though I know it would probably make my replies easier.
Any who, you're absolutely right about life being sacred. It is and I cannot argue, though I can say, as I think I said previously before (not sure if I did) people can become rash when a light is flashed into their face. (metaphorically speaking) At one point, they think they have all the answers.
Let's say there are two teenagers... both of a young age... seventeen. Now, here we have the girl and boy, let's call them Mary and Johnny.(No offense to anybody who has these names!) They have both given their love to each other, both mentally as well as physically. They are both sure of the consequences and are positive that they can be responsible of the outcome. Little does Mary know she is pregnant. Mary originally said "If ever this happens, I will keep the baby." Well now, little Mary finds out and is freaking... thinking of her life and she's automatically going against her previous decisions... trying to find a way out for herself. Yes, for herself... because some people try to put themselves first when something sudden and life changing happens like that. Johnny is all for whatever Mary chooses... he wants to make her happy.
Anyways, what I'm trying to get at is that some people think they are definent(sp) about their decisions. I'm not saying anything negative towards anybody, but it's fairly easy to tell. On the outside looking in, kind of thing going on, change is always happening.
Who knows... maybe one day a more humane choice will come along, or mothers who have considered abortion will actually take responsibility for what they had done and be given the consequences(a baby). It's something that would please me to see.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:22 am
There are extreme cases, such as a pregnancy as a result of rape, or say the doctors know the child will be severely disabled.
I know it would be HARD to keep the child, but there are always options. You don't have to keep it. Plenty of people would do ANYthing to have a baby and can't.
I guess a good example is the movie Juno. I love that movie. ^_^
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:30 am
When it comes to rape and danger of the child after birth, then I must say that I am for abortion... only if it's absolutely necessary. That I can come to agreements with myself, but yes... even as you have stated the mother could easily give the child to somebody else rather than go through abortion.
I have yet to see that movie... though I've heard it's really good. ^^
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:36 am
The only way I could see abortion as acceptable would be if the pregnancy or birth would kill the mother.
And yes, Juno is amAAAAAzing. xd
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:46 am
Ah, yes... certainly.
Though, it reminds of movies I have seen where the mother has the option of dying through the birth and her child living, or going with abortion and herself living. It's so passionate, and I think it takes a very strong, loving person to make a decision to give up their life for another.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:06 am
Yes, it does. I think you have to think about what your loved ones think, though. Giving your life for an unborn child who you love may not be the right thing to do when your loved ones haven't bonded with the life in you yet. They have bonded with YOU. They want YOU to live. I think it's sort of selfish to just think about what YOU want.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:58 am
Yes, family members are important when it comes to a baby, however, isn't it much... what's the word I'm looking for? Merciful. Yes, there's the word. Wouldn't it be merciful to give a child a chance at life when you've already seen quite a bit of it and they have not? Family members may have bonded with the mother, but doesn't the mother bond with the child, even unborn? I believe the bond with the family is going to be stronger, yeah, but that bond the mother has experience has to mean something too, right? I see what you're saying, and I agree, but I also want to take in the other sides and tumble them around in the noggin
Maybe she had had the child with a man she really loved, and let's say he died before he could even see the birth. What if she wanted a part of him to live on through the child?
Aside from that, I suppose it's rare for a mother to choose that path when she's never really known the child and she could always have another one. Though, I know if it were me and I were pregnant and I had greatly loved the father of my unborn child, I would probably give it a chance at life. That too is something I can firmly agree myself with.
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:35 pm
Yet again, I apologize for not scanning past the first 3 posts but I think a bit of crudeness is needed, and by the way, where did everyone else go in these discussion threads?
6,000,000,000+ human beings on this planet. The majority of countries have stable, positive population growths. That should be more than enough to really make my point clear.
I'm pro choice myself, because a baby to me isn't alive until its declared legally alive, which means you can't do something illegal if it hasn't been made legal yet. I'm always hearing about the rights of the child over the rights of the parents and it kind of sickens me to be honest. I personally think that abortion is a good thing, especially in our age when we don't need any more excess people. We aren't fighting world wars, we aren't colonizing the moon or Mars, there's no reason we shouldn't be attempting to regulate the human population if only from the standpoint that the mother and father can't emotionally and/or financially support a child.
Speaking from experience, I'm a b*****d, in the literal sense of the word and was given over to adoption and then adopted. Adoption is a great way out for some parents and very rarely a boon for the child. If anything, the archaic ramblings of people obsessed with keeping the species going should be held in contempt, since its all well and good for those who don't know to speak their minds about something that is far from moral and ethical obligations.
Maybe I'm just utilitarian, but that's how I see it. I'm not one of those people who believe every life is precious, just some of them.
I also don't believe that the family has any jurisdiction over what happens to the baby, as far as I'm concerned, it the choice of the would be mother and no one else's. Though, I often internally debate how much weight the father has in whether or not the baby should "live". I've already acknowledged the father has no right to say that the baby should be aborted. I'd be willing to bend however, if the family was willing to take the child under their wing and raise it, lifting the parental obligation from the mother then sure, keep the child, then pass it off to those who can take care of it.
I find abortion too touchy a subject for most people, since those who are pro life tend to think that those who are pro choice are out to abort every child ever conceived. I mean its a matter of personal opinion, I acknowledge everyone has their own agenda, how they would deal with the situation, but really, you don't know until your faced with it. I'm not going to pull out the rape card, because frankly, its still up to the woman.
Anywho, tomorrow I have much reading to do!
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:52 pm
I would have to say that I am with iPumperdiddle. I am netural on this subject. But let me first explain why I am so.
Really if I were to take out the religion factor, I would still be netural. I believe that everylife is something that should be respected. Put the religion factor back in and my reason for thinking that everylife is special is because God created us, knitted us together.
So with the religion factor I would be against it because that is destroying a creation. You wouldn't be all that happy if someone destroyed your best creation.
But the reason I am netural is because there is the human mind to consider. You never know how you will deal with a situation untill you are faced with it. I believe also that, unless it is an extreame case, you should think of what you could be giving up with taking the option of abortion.
I personally would probibly never be able to really live with myself if I chose abortion. But again I have never been faced with the sitiuation. Most of the reason for me being netural though has to do with the fact that I like to think from all sides. I want to know all sides of the story. The opinoins of others matter majorly to me. But then again that is just me.
~Krazy
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:18 pm
I really hate to sound indecisive to any of you, but I am neutral on this also. As I think someone said before, it really depends on your situation. Grade schoolers get raped and impregnated. How can someone that age take care of a child that may be less than 10 years younger than her, much less survive the birthing process? Same thing goes for autistic mothers, sometimes. Also, if you or your family has had some heredetary disease, a good mother would naturally not want to pass on that trait. I have a friend who's husband's brother was autistic, so she did not want to have an autistic baby and not have the resources to care and educate the child. (She lives in China, where autism is not a well-known subject.)
But when you are old and capable enough to take the responsibility of getting yourself pregnant, I think abortion is questionable then. Is it not your own fault that you decided to risk getting a kid?
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senshixdoukeshi rolled 2 10-sided dice:
5, 3
Total: 8 (2-20)
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:04 pm
I agree that there is no right or wrong answer to this question because it is a question of morality and morals are personal. It is wrong and a basic violation of human rights to expect others to live by your morals.
But I digress, my real opinion on the matter is that I'm offically Pro-Choice for a number of reasons among them being that I would prefer the child be aborted than abandoned in a trash can to die cruelly. It saves the lives of women who would seek alternative and dangerous methods even if it were illegal. And that women should be able to control their own bodies.
Now there are instances where some debate may have weight, such as if the father wants custody. This is ONLY applicable if the couple is married or has been married. Why? Because the legal ramifications of having a child are enormous and I can understand not wanting to be responsible for that.
Do you really want a child to come searching you out twenty years down the road for answers that you really don't want to give? Yea-no.
Personally I'm pro-life though. I think life is precious and I would want to give the child a chance even if I can't take care of it myself. Though that would still end with the whole child seeking me out twenty years later for answers I don't want to give.
Anyway, that's my stance, such that it is.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:06 pm
Here are my two stances on this:
You have a right to an abortion if:
1) you were a victim of rape
2) physically/mentally you cannot go through with it/if it has an adverse effect on you
3) the child will have some horrible condition that will only make life really really awful for it and might only make it live for a couple months or something confused
4) you can't support the child
And this stance:
Let them have it...The world is overpopulated as it is. Just do it before the 8 week mark.
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