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 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:29 pm
Show me one place in the Constitution that says that church and state are to be separated. America was build on the foundation of God.
and a side note to the Californian guy... bite me. nobody is putting a gun to your head to make you say "under God." if you feel pressured and can win a court case, what is to stop me from saying that i feel pressured by the school's tofu-burgers ( xp gross) to be vegetarian. no one is forcing me to eat them or anything but hey if you can succeed in removing God from our daily lives i should be perfectly justified in ticking off a few vegetarians. [/rant]
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:30 pm
First amendment buddy. Article I of the Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;... As far as the Under God part in the pledge, realize the original pledge did not have those words in it; they were added during the Cold War (in the 1950's). Also, note that "Under God", by being in the pledge, makes it seem that Congress is establishing a religion based on the belief of God - which is a clear violation of the first amendment. Secondly, realize the God is a name, and as such, more often than not, refers to the Judeo-Christian god. Whereas god is a term, used for any god. Finally, realize also that seperation of church and state is a supreme court order.
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:43 pm
chaoticpuppet First amendment buddy. Article I of the Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;... As far as the Under God part in the pledge, realize the original pledge did not have those words in it; they were added during the Cold War (in the 1950's). Also, note that "Under God", by being in the pledge, makes it seem that Congress is establishing a religion based on the belief of God - which is a clear violation of the first amendment. Secondly, realize the God is a name, and as such, more often than not, refers to the Judeo-Christian god. Whereas god is a term, used for any god. Finally, realize also that seperation of church and state is a supreme court order. the first ammendment does not say anything about separating church and state, mearly that congress will not inhibit religion... which they have done such a good job of... stare
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:09 pm
stressed
Some people just don't get it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:59 pm
chaoticpuppet stressed Some people just don't get it. .. and the it of which you speak is... what point are you making? for all we know you could be lamenting the fact that not everyone gets a certain newsletter or maybe the flu. please specify if you wish to make some sort of input.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:44 pm
AmmonSuperCombo .. and the it of which you speak is... what point are you making? for all we know you could be lamenting the fact that not everyone gets a certain newsletter or maybe the flu. please specify if you wish to make some sort of input. The "it" of which I am speaking about it, is plainly evident. However, since you insist, let me put it this way: Learn the law and understand the law and how it applies/doesn't apply and how it is interpreted before you try to discuss the law.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:19 pm
Discriminating against someone by punishing them for not pledging to a nation under God is as unacceptably disrespectful as discriminating against those who want to say it by not giving them the time to say it during the pledge.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:02 pm
Kutsuke Discriminating against someone by punishing them for not pledging to a nation under God is as unacceptably disrespectful as discriminating against those who want to say it by not giving them the time to say it during the pledge. Agreed.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:20 pm
chaoticpuppet First amendment buddy. Article I of the Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;... As far as the Under God part in the pledge, realize the original pledge did not have those words in it; they were added during the Cold War (in the 1950's). Also, note that "Under God", by being in the pledge, makes it seem that Congress is establishing a religion based on the belief of God - which is a clear violation of the first amendment. Secondly, realize the God is a name, and as such, more often than not, refers to the Judeo-Christian god. Whereas god is a term, used for any god. Finally, realize also that seperation of church and state is a supreme court order. You took the words out of my mouth.
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:53 pm
So, has there been a correlation with the "learn the law and how it applies" and the no lack of response since I said it?
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:54 pm
somebodys_PeNgUIN Kutsuke Discriminating against someone by punishing them for not pledging to a nation under God is as unacceptably disrespectful as discriminating against those who want to say it by not giving them the time to say it during the pledge. Agreed. who was punished for not saying the pledge? if anyone is being forced to say it, i will be the first to offer help in getting it changed, but don't take it out completely.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:37 pm
Tyhe first amendment does have something to do with it, but I really don't care they can change it if they want, They have before, and the whole "built under god" thing is crazy.They added "under god" after WW2 and before the cold war.So no we did not build a nation under god.We built it for freedom of all cultures.
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:17 pm
KONORET Tyhe first amendment does have something to do with it, but I really don't care they can change it if they want, They have before, and the whole "built under god" thing is crazy.They added "under god" after WW2 and before the cold war.So no we did not build a nation under god.We built it for freedom of all cultures. the pledge was not origionally created to remind the people of god but the country was. god is mentioned how many times in the declaration of independence??
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:05 pm
AmmonSuperCombo the pledge was not origionally created to remind the people of god but the country was. god is mentioned how many times in the declaration of independence?? Your lack of knowledge completely and utterly disgusts me. I think I need a shower after reading such idiocy. Try reading article eleven of the treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. found http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htmAs you can clearly see, the U.S.A. was in no way, shape or form, founded on Christianity. Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence is nothing more than a document stating - to the British - our intent to go to war. The Constitution and the Amendments to the Constitution are what the United States laws are based on, not the Declaration of Independence. Furthermore, I think you would like to know this little tidbit, the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, was rather violently opposed to Christianity. Furthermore, God is explicitly mentioned as God only once. Declaration of Indepence When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. Emphasis mine; found http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.htmlCreator (for which it may or may not be God) is mentioned only once as well. Declaration of Independence We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights... Emphasis mine, found http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:24 pm
*reads over and is about to say something but then remembers history class*
well.... this country WAS sorta founded on god. because the pilgrims came over here for religious freedom. so yeah.
but i believe in seperation of state and school. just because most of the US is christian doesn't mean that they can force everyone to be.
like something like this happened last week. on Mabon *wiccan holiday. on the 21st* when i got to school people were having a prayer circle around the flag. people started protesting by wearing duct tape saying what their beliefs were. like some said 'aethiest' and some said 'agnostic' and 'pagean' and 'buddhist' *sorry i can't spell it...*
it was interesting. me and my friend put "wiccan" on ours. we were going to do the Mabon ritual at lunch just to freak people out but we didnt have any of the stuff. aww. and my friend put 'atheist' in super huge letters. it was sorta funny.
we can always try on Sahmain. ^_^
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