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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:24 pm


You heard me right...Global temperatures are dropping. Global Warming Is Real...BUT...Has been declared a natural cycle by many scientist...More and more scientist defect to this side every week....For those of you who watched inconvenient truth here are three things that Al Gore didn't mention but NASA and the IPCC did...

1. The picture of the polar bears clinging onto melting ice would lead you to believe that the polar bears are dying out but he forgets to mention that the polar bear population has actually increased in recent years.

2. When he shows melting arctic ice he forgets to mention that the pictures were taken in august which is when a large chunk of arctic melting can occur.

3. 1934 was officially declared the warmest year on record...NOT 1998! If you look at a real temperature graph and not the hockey stick graph that "Ozone Al" loves to use so much you will see that there has been no net warming since 98 and that at the start of 07 global temps started dropping sharply. The cause of this is the past "La Nina" event and the occurrence of
a total count of ZERO sunspots.

Some more food for thought before you become an alarmist who shouts gloom and doom:

-The Snow cover over the northern hemisphere was at the greatest level since 1966 this past winter.

-At the end of the northern winter/southern summer there was more ice in the arctic than in the past three years and a third more ice at antarctica than normal.

-During the winter of 2007 South America, South Africa, and Australia saw
a winter like one they hadn't seen in a long time which led to snow in Argentina (An occurrence that is extremely rare!), Snow in Johannesburg,
South Africa which hasn't happened in the past 30 years! Also It snowed in Australia...not just during the winter but during the summer on Christmas Day!

-China suffered their most brutal winter in 15 years...Also it snowed in Baghdad for the first time and it snowed in other places where it usually doesn't such as Israel, Greece, and Italy!

-Snow was reported in Daytona Beach, FL last winter while other areas of the state suffered a deep freeze.

-NOW, FOR THE REAL REASON THE ARCTIC ICE SAW RECORD MELT!:
NASA reports that the reason the arctic ice cover dropped to record low levels last summer was not because of AGW but because of wind currents that pushed the ice far enough south that it suffered massive collapse.

-Many places around the world have reported a sea level drop...not a rise.

-Last year the Antarctic Ice Sheet grew to the biggest size ever recorded since record keeping began.

-Recently *31,000+ scientist submitted a petition to Washington D.C. saying that all scientist listed believe global warming is a natural cycle and has not had the dire effects predicted by Al Gore.

*It officially stands at 31,072 American scientist with university degrees in science including 9,021 PhD's

-You hear that the glaciers on Mt. Shasta are the only ones growing but their not the only ones...Here's a list:

*Norway:
-Ålfotbreen Glacier
-Briksdalsbreen Glacier
-Nigardsbreen Glacier
-Hardangerjøkulen Glacier
-Hansebreen Glacier
-Jostefonn Glacier
-Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen glacier
is the second largest glacier in Norway. It is a
part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier,
which has steadily increased in mass since the
1960s when heavier winter precipitation set in.)

*Canada:
-Helm Glacier
-Place Glacier

*France:
-Mt. Blanc

*Ecuador:
-Antizana 15 Alpha Glacier

*Switzerland:
-Silvretta Glacier

*Kirghiztan:
-Abramov

*Russia:
-Maali Glacier

*Greenland:
-There isn't a list for these because the whole cap is thickening and expanding... sweatdrop

*New Zealand:
-All 48 glaciers in the Southern Alps have grown during the past year.
The growth is at the head of the glaciers, high in the mountains, where they
gained more ice than they lost. Noticeable growth should be seen at the
foot of the Fox and Franz Josef glaciers within two to three years.

*South America:
-Chile's Pio XI Glacier (the largest glacier in the southern hemisphere)
is also growing.

* United States:
-100 documented glaciers in Colorado are growing.
-Glaciers on Mt. St. Helens, Mt. Rainier, and Mt. Shuskan (Washington State) are growing. Nisqually Glacier is Growing too!
-Glaciers on Mt. Shasta, CA are growing.
-Glaciers In Montana's Glacier Park are growing.
-Glaciers on Mt. McKinley and Hubbard in Alaska are growing.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:54 pm


Other things that I thought I would Add:

-The global temp. drop that started at the beginning of last year has virtually erased 100 years of warming....Funny how you hear about a 0.001 degree rise but when the global temps. are lower than 100 years ago you barely hear anything about it.

-Al Gore preaches it but he doesn't practice it...Last summer Al Gores mansion used more electricity and put out more carbon emissions than any other person in the entire country!

Links:

http://www.iceagenow.com/

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/03/brrrr-new-data-gives-global-warming.html


Tuesday, March 11, 2008

Brrrr... New Data Gives Global Warming the Cold Shoulder

Ohio is still frozen solid after a record snow this past weekend.
Ontario is looking at record snowfall this year.
Minnesota is worried about a severe pothole season after this year's deep freeze.

Manmade Global Warming: Truth or Snowjob?

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A sign in the background adds a touch of humor to a miserable scene in Springfield, Ohio, as Connie Shaffer tries to shovel more than a foot of snow from her driveway on Saturday. (AP)

Several scientific studies along with record cold temperatures this past year in both hemispheres is shedding light on the fallacy of manmade global warming.

Merinews reported:

Satellite measurements available since 1979 show no warming in the southern hemisphere and the trend in the northern hemisphere appears to have waned since 2001.

--In August 2007, the UK Met Office acknowledged that obvious global warming had stopped.

--Paleo-climate scientist Bob Carter testifying before the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works has noted that the accepted global average temperature statistics used by IPCC show no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998.

--A research led by David Bromwich, Professor of Atmospheric Science in the Department of Geography at Ohio State University and researchers with the Byrd Polar Research Centre at Ohio State University shows that during the late 20th century, the temperature in Antarctica did not rise to the level predicted by many global warming models.

--According to UN scientist Madhav L. Khandekar, a retired Environment Canada scientist and an expert IPCC reviewer in 2007, the recent worldwide analysis of ocean surface temperatures shows that sea surface temperatures over world oceans are slowly declining since mid-1998.

--While the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is steadily rising from 280 ppm and might reach 560 ppm by 2100 as predicted by IPCC, the world’s average temperature, instead of following a steep upward gradient, is actually plunging after a period of upward trend. However, the IPCC is not coming out publicly with the truth surrounding the correlation between rise in carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere and its possible consequence on global warming, if any.

--A study by researchers of the Atmospheric Science Group, Department of Mathematical Science, at the University of Wisconsin, found that global warming in the last century was linked to natural causes.

--The Royal Meteorological Institute at Brussels in its report last year said that not carbon dioxide but the most important greenhouse gas was water vapor; it was responsible for 75 per cent of the greenhouse effect. According to Belgian climate scientist Lu Debontridder, the warm winters of the last few years in Belgium are simply due to the North-Atlantic oscillation that has absolutely nothing to do with carbon dioxide.

--A study published in Science last September found that contrary to past inferences from ice core records, carbon dioxide did not cause the end of the last ice age. According to the same study, deep-sea temperatures warmed about 1,300 years before the tropical surface ocean and well before the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide.

--USC geologist Lowell Scot, the lead author of the study, said that the climate dynamics are much more complex than simply saying that carbon dioxide rises and the temperature warms.

--The IPCC climate model is based on the assumption that increased warming would cause more rainfall that would produce more clouds on the higher reaches of the atmosphere. Since high clouds have a net warming effect this would cause more warming, more rainfall and the cycle will continue. It is this positive feedback that causes the UN climate models to predict a temperature rise in the range of 2.5 degree Celsius to 4.7 degree Celsius due to rise in the level of carbon dioxide to 560 ppm. Dr Roy Spencer along with researchers at the University of Alabama Huntsville and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, California, after observing the temperatures, clouds and rainfall reported that warming is actually associated with fewer high clouds. There is no data to support the theory that more rainfall will produce more high-altitude clouds.

--The mainstream media seems to be purposely ignoring the bulk of the findings by renowned researchers throughout the globe that the current global warming fear attributed solely to carbon dioxide rise is utterly unfounded.
Dave wrote in that the February global temperature anomalies show that February like January was another cold month.

Have they asked Al Gore to return the Peace Prize, yet?

Previously:
Brrrr... Antarctica Records Record High Ice Cap Growth
Brrrr... South America Has Coldest Winter in a 90 Years
Brrrr... Iraqis See First Snow in 100 Years As Sign of Peace
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in a Decade in China Cause Rioting
Brrrr... Jerusalem Grinds to a Halt As Rare Snowstorm Blasts City
Brrrr... Worst Snowstorms in 50 Years Continue to Cripple China
Brrrr... China Suffers Coldest Winter in 100 Years
Brrrr... Pakistan Suffers Lowest Temps in 70 Years-- 260 Dead
Brrrr... Record Cold Hits Central Asia-- 654 Dead in Afghanistan
Brrrr... Severe Weather Kills Dozens in Kashmir
Brrrr... Tajikistan Crisis!! Coldest Winter in 25 Years!
Brrrr... Record Cold Wave Blasts Mumbai, India
Brrrr... Snow and Ice in San Diego?
Brrrr... Wisconsin Snowfall Record Shattered
Brrrr... The Disappearing Arctic Ice Is Back And It's Thick
Brrrr... Turkey's snowiest winter continues.
Brrrr... Record Cold & Snow Blankets Acropolis in Greece (Video)
Brrrr... Longest Ever Cold Spell Kills Cattle & Rice in Vietnam
Brrrr... Most Snow Cover Over North America Since 1966
Brrrr... Australia Suffers Through Coldest Summer in 50 Years
Brrrr... Record Snowfall Slams Ohio River Valley

Graph of Global Temperature Drop:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:41 pm


Haha, very enlightening facts. Global warming is a funny issue- it has sort of become a religion actually; some say it exists, others say no, and each side pursue their goal with as much fanaticism as the other.

One thing that does come out of it all though: it has added a new marketing style for products: "this product emits low CO2" "this product is green" etc.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:24 pm


That's a plethora of information, but I would like to see links/citations, or real data for the following.

Quote:
*Norway:
-Ålfotbreen Glacier
-Briksdalsbreen Glacier
-Nigardsbreen Glacier
-Hardangerjøkulen Glacier
-Hansebreen Glacier
-Jostefonn Glacier
-Engabreen glacier (The Engabreen glacier
is the second largest glacier in Norway. It is a
part (a glacial tongue) of the Svartisen glacier,
which has steadily increased in mass since the
1960s when heavier winter precipitation set in.)

*Canada:
-Helm Glacier
-Place Glacier

*France:
-Mt. Blanc

*Ecuador:
-Antizana 15 Alpha Glacier

*Switzerland:
-Silvretta Glacier

*Kirghiztan:
-Abramov

*Russia:
-Maali Glacier

*Greenland:
-There isn't a list for these because the whole cap is thickening and expanding...

*New Zealand:
-All 48 glaciers in the Southern Alps have grown during the past year.
The growth is at the head of the glaciers, high in the mountains, where they
gained more ice than they lost. Noticeable growth should be seen at the
foot of the Fox and Franz Josef glaciers within two to three years.

*South America:
-Chile's Pio XI Glacier (the largest glacier in the southern hemisphere)
is also growing.

* United States:
-100 documented glaciers in Colorado are growing.
-Glaciers on Mt. St. Helens, Mt. Rainier, and Mt. Shuskan (Washington State) are growing. Nisqually Glacier is Growing too!
-Glaciers on Mt. Shasta, CA are growing.
-Glaciers In Montana's Glacier Park are growing.
-Glaciers on Mt. McKinley and Hubbard in Alaska are growing.


I would like to point out that Glaciers in Europe growing is not too much of a surprise really, because while there is melting of the greenland Ice sheet, and Arctic ice, all that water goes into the ocean, and it's fresh water so it is less dense than ocean water. This type of change in densities due to salinity and tempratue of the atlantic, actually changes the direction of the underwater gulf stream that brings warm water to europe, if less warm water is reaching europe then europe becomes colder. Which appears to be the case. If ocean densities continue to change in the way they are now then yes, Europe will become very cold. But those density changes are due to incresing temprature change that melts arctic and greenland ice.

Also, We can't look atjust a year or two when looking at a warming trend. We can't do that when looking at any kind of trend, looking at just one piece of data and making a descision on that is not enough. You need a collection of data similiar to it, and then find the trend over time.

Your very graph is not a graph of temprature drop, it is a graph of temprature anomolies in a positive and negative direction from the standard mean. The numbers in the y direction above zero are increases in temprature mean. The numbers in the negative direction are obviously decreases in temprature mean. This graph measures averge temp. differences from a normal constant temp.
The change in temprature at the end of the graph doesn't really prove anything either, as there is a bigger change in Temp. between the 1998 peak and the 252 mark on the x axis.

And this graph looks to me as though average change in temprature above the y-axis zero mark is steadily increasing since 1979. With of course a few outliers.
I assume you've taken basic algebra so I'll leave finding the positive slope for the graph of data to you if you really want, but it's fairly easy to see without that.

Quote:
--USC geologist Lowell Scot, the lead author of the study, said that the climate dynamics are much more complex than simply saying that carbon dioxide rises and the temperature warms.


Pardon my french, but no s**t. There are thousands of variables probably not even accounted for in global temprature changes. For example, one of the lasrgest reasons massive warming and cooling trends occure are due to the Milankovich theory. In fact, Global warming is most likely not man made. Do we help though? Certainly not. And I don't know about you but smog is pretty disgusting. Have you been to LA lately? (without the smoke from fires of course) It's disgusting. Totally disgusting last time I went there.

Anyways, I would like to see data for this as well.

Quote:
-Many places around the world have reported a sea level drop...not a rise.


Give me numbers, dates, and graphs if you have them please. Just saying it is not enough. And I mean no offense by this, but if you come in here to prove a point, please include more about where you got your information. And the validity of the place you got the information from. And of course if this dealt with a less controversial science I normally wouldn't care, but with so much data that floats around global warming, I just like to see things with validity.
And just so we know, I personally do not consider Wikipedia a very good source. I don't not know if you pulled any of this from there, but just as a precaution, never use it to convince me.
And as for Al Gore....uhm...yeah, I have not seen his movie, nor do I care for him in any way. And as far as I'm concerned he isn't a credible source either. After all, he crossed the english channel and invented the internet right? rofl rofl rofl

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:23 pm


The gulf stream was found to run off of differential heating and wind currents....From what I heard on the news scientist now think that salinity plays a minor role in ocean currents.....

Ps. I'm not going to show you proof.....I'll let everyone keep believing a lie...Thirty years from now if the world is no warmer or even colder I will rub it in that all of us skeptic crackpots were right. If you want to see all the things I speak of then go to www.iceagenow.com and look at things like dropping sea levels and growing glaciers and all that jazz.....Also I know that one year isn't a trend but to me and many others 100-200 years is not enough to be a trend either....If glo-bull warmers had 1,000 or 1,000,000 years of warming on their hands and man had been industrialized for that long I wouldn't dispute the cause of global warming because that length of time is a true trend and in that time there have been many cold snaps in the earths climate.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:28 pm


If you want to hear about the growing glaciers tiki boy then go to Google and type in the name of the glacier and then growing.....I'm pretty sure that the articles will say that man-made glo-bull warming is real but there are glaciers growing and it still snows here in the winter so I'm not worried.

Although I don't believe that man is causing global warming I do think that greener tech is good to clean up the environment....I would love to see a futuristic yet clean earth 50 years from now...not a smoggy one.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:41 pm


tiki_boyX2

Quote:
-Many places around the world have reported a sea level drop...not a rise.


Give me numbers, dates, and graphs if you have them please. Just saying it is not enough. And I mean no offense by this, but if you come in here to prove a point, please include more about where you got your information. And the validity of the place you got the information from. And of course if this dealt with a less controversial science I normally wouldn't care, but with so much data that floats around global warming, I just like to see things with validity.
And just so we know, I personally do not consider Wikipedia a very good source. I don't not know if you pulled any of this from there, but just as a precaution, never use it to convince me.



I have to agree with this. I don't see any real hard evidence with what you have been claiming. would be less skeptic if you found evidence from real sites like NASA
PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:46 pm


Damian Von Hellsing
If you want to hear about the growing glaciers tiki boy then go to Google and type in the name of the glacier and then growing.....I'm pretty sure that the articles will say that man-made glo-bull warming is real but there are glaciers growing and it still snows here in the winter so I'm not worried.

Although I don't believe that man is causing global warming I do think that greener tech is good to clean up the environment....I would love to see a futuristic yet clean earth 50 years from now...not a smoggy one.


I actually just did google some of them, and I already found false information.

http://envisense.org/glacsweb/index.html

on the webpage are included pictures of the briksdalsbreen glacier from the years 2001-2007. That is some ridiculous retreating, and contrary to the website you provided.

As for the others I googled, the only websites that popped up were ones that pulled their information from iceagenow, or my result was iceagenow. No other credible source of information. I didn’t google all of them of course, but the ones I did google just didn’t cut it.
And as I go through that list of advancing glaciers I am finding false links, and links that have expired, and no other real form of citation of information on any of the little stories that have been written.

Of course I'm not saying that all glaciers are retreating, that's a silly claim, but I don't think that the earth is gonna' go through a cooling trend either. And I'm not saying that all those glaciers on that list are retreating either of course, but I think whoever made that list of glaciers either doesn’t know what he is talking about, or he mistook the word “advancing” for the word growing, all glaciers advance, otherwise they wouldn’t be glaciers. It’s the rate of advancement based off of precipitation that determines the growth or decline of a glacier.

I realize you’re belief in this is pretty strong; however, please back off saying things such as, “glo-bull” you’re putting yourself on the edge of mudslinging, and that is not what this guild is about, it’s more about discussing, with credibility, the scientific issues on hand.

Quote:
The gulf stream was found to run off of differential heating and wind currents....From what I heard on the news scientist now think that salinity plays a minor role in ocean currents.....

No, there are a plethora of salinity and temprature driven currents in the oceans as well as factors such as the Coriolis effect. And what do you mean by "wind currents"? If you are reffering to the coriolis effect then, wind would play a minor role, 'cause the coriolis effect works on all fluids, so it's already directly effecting the direction of the gulf stream.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:54 am


Psh! I knew that BEFORE global warming even happened.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:46 am


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Psh! I knew that BEFORE global warming even happened.


Not sure if your being sarcastic or not but if not at least someone here agrees.....If no one agrees then I will not waste my time. I'll wait for the day when the coldest winter in 15, 25, 50, or maybe even 100 years sweeps across the northern hemisphere while Al Gore stands outside freezing to death saying "For Goodness Sakes! Were Turning The Earth Into A Raging Ball of Flames!" rofl Trust me it will happen one day....It may happen very, very soon.

-On top of that I now know of a Natural occurence that the website IceCap has said virtually assures GLOBAL COOLING for the next 30 years:

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/WashingtonPolicymakersaddress.pdf

-Co2 effect on global temperature over stated 500-2000%:

http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=310&Itemid=1

-What A Difference Twenty Years Makes:

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/what-a-difference-20-years-makes/

-Prominent Scientist Reversing Thoughts About Global Warming, Now Skeptics:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12

-Gores Really Inconvenient Timing:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=37ae6e96-802a-23ad-4c8a-edf6d8150789

-No Global Warming Since 1998 As Planet Cools Off:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/040408_cools_off.htm

-Apparently the 9th Coldest June:

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/latest_noaa_press_release_in_total_disagareement_with_nasa_satellite/

-Each passing Day of Anemic Solar Cycle 24 still shows signs of eminent cooling:

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/UpdatetoIcecap23rdJuly2008.pdf

If you want to know anything else pm me and I can send other info about global cooling and what not to ya.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:15 am


I never believed in global warming. It is just the earth's natural cycling. It has happened through the millenia starting before the prehistoric lifeforms and will continue to do so after we are gone.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:59 pm


About the polar bears, people seem to forget that they CAN SWIM!
But, yes, you may have watched 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'?
That was a good documentary.
I have been very skeptical about the whole humans cause global warming thing, and even on Al's own graphs, the CO2 rises AFTER the temperature rises. Hehe.
I'm all for being more economical with energy, but to say that we cause something that's been happening for millenia? Hmm, that's arrogance for you.

:'D
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:38 pm


I suggest we all watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg

I'm not saying that global warming is or isn't happening, and this video isn't either, because that doesn't matter, at least in the sense of what we should do about it.

All that information aside, can anyone really say (with reliable evidence) that rising CO2 levels are GOOD for the Earth? If not, then the least we can do is stop putting so much of it out there.

I don't know much about the earth's temperature, but I know for sure that where I live it's been hotter the last five years or so than it has in years. Our wells dropped 30% last summer. That probably means nothing to you, but in truth it has as much validity as what you're saying when you don't link to sites. When you do, remember the internet hierarchy of reliable information.
.com is the least reliable, then .net, then .org, and on and on. Since this is a scientific topic, I'd like to see information from NASA's website plus the other prestigious scientific organizations of the world, not from blogspot.com (a community which anyone--literally anyone--can write on.)
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:46 pm


HIEILUVER
I suggest we all watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg

I'm not saying that global warming is or isn't happening, and this video isn't either, because that doesn't matter, at least in the sense of what we should do about it.

All that information aside, can anyone really say (with reliable evidence) that rising CO2 levels are GOOD for the Earth? If not, then the least we can do is stop putting so much of it out there.

I don't know much about the earth's temperature, but I know for sure that where I live it's been hotter the last five years or so than it has in years. Our wells dropped 30% last summer. That probably means nothing to you, but in truth it has as much validity as what you're saying when you don't link to sites. When you do, remember the internet hierarchy of reliable information.
.com is the least reliable, then .net, then .org, and on and on. Since this is a scientific topic, I'd like to see information from NASA's website plus the other prestigious scientific organizations of the world, not from blogspot.com (a community which anyone--literally anyone--can write on.)


More Co2 is actually better because it spawns more plant growth over a wider area...Just like a warm, cozy greenhouse. smile

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:18 pm


It is true that the temp is dropping in Texas it snowed in April 2008 and it snowed in December in 2009 I've only seen 3/4x it snowed in 12 yrs
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