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 Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:56 pm
First off, let me say, im a devout Christian - - despite the fact i have piercings in the double digits, and 2 tattoos planning to get more.
My father in a minister, and he absolutley hates my tattoos and piercings.
He loves me more than the world, but he prays i lose my interest in body modification. His stance, and most of the local churches stances are that: Your body is a gift from God and he doesn't want you to scar and ruin it.
My stance is that: I am aware my body is a gift and a temple which He blessed me with, and i see it as just jewelry, just art - adorning my body to make it more beautiful.
Discuss:
* What do you think? Is is adorning or scaring?
* Do you judge people based on how they look? If they have body modifications?
* Do you have them yourself?
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:33 pm
I have an odd stance on this. G-d makes it clear that his people are not to get tatoos, in sevral places in the Bible, especially Leviticus, so I'm against those. Peircings, however, are different. The Bible mentions peircings in a few places, not just ear peircings, but also nose, and I think a few others. Anyway, it mentions them, and it doesn't condem them. Exodus speaks of the young people of Israel, both daughter's and sons, wearing earings, and it doesn't condem this practice. In another place, it almost advocates peircings, I forget where, but it's in one of the Proohets... Isaiah, or maybe Jerimiah, and it talks about G-d bringing Israel back to him, and giving her jewels and riches again, and it specificly mentions Him giving 'her' earings, a nose ring of gold, and a navel ring.
So... Tatoos, bad, peircings, ok.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:33 pm
I see and understand both sides, but feel that God is not going to condemn anyone for their tattoos or piercings. I have 8 piercings myself, would like to get more, and have a tattoo, and plan on getting at least one more. I think to have the view that piercings or tattoos make you more beautiful is somewhat flawed. God made you beautiful- the way He made you is the way He intended for you to be. To try to change yourself to be more beautiful is like telling God that you don't find His creation to be beautiful- it's actually quite insulting to His creative genius. However, I find that piercings can be used as decoration, much like wearing nice clothes. They don't make you more beautiful, they just look nice. My tattoos, since they will be a part of my body forever, I use to glorify God. The one tattoo I have is a cross with a single butterfly wing, and the symbolism in that is pretty obvious (and also, in case you couldn't tell, I love butterflies). The next tattoo I want to get is going to be around my wrist, in blood red ink, in Hebrew, proclaiming that I am a "bondslave of the Messiah." I just need someone to translate it for me (Silver Wingling was translating it for me but ... that was a while ago confused ).
The logic behind not getting tattoos isn't simply because your body is the temple of God, and because the Spirit lives within you, but also because it was a common Pagan practice (Pagan here meaning anyone who wasn't an Israelite or a Hebrew). That was how they worshiped their gods. In order to set His people apart from them, God wanted the mark in their flesh to be in the form of circumcision rather than in tattooing or cutting. But Jesus has come to symbolize the new Covenant between God and men- no long do you have to be circumcised to be accepted, so I think the other logic is also reversible- if you're going to get a tattoo, it should be one that is honoring and pleasing to God (remember that we're supposed to eat, drink, or whatever, in a manner pleasing to God).
Now, whether you should continue to get piercings or tattoos or not because your father disapproves of them has alot of gray area. We're to honor our parents, and I think that as long as you live under his roof, you should probably refrain from going totally nuts with your piercings and tattoos. Yes, I know they're addicting, and I'm sure you're not getting Satan tattooed onto you anywhere, but the point is that your father is your father, and also your spiritual leader until you are married. You should respect his feelings, at least for the time being. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:08 pm
What does God think about scars?
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:19 am
Fushigi na Butterfly (Silver Wingling was translating it for me but ... that was a while ago confused ). I lost my Hebrew dictionary... and I haven't been able to find it. Fushigi na Butterfly The logic behind not getting tattoos isn't simply because your body is the temple of God, and because the Spirit lives within you, but also because it was a common Pagan practice (Pagan here meaning anyone who wasn't an Israelite or a Hebrew). That was how they worshiped their gods. In order to set His people apart from them, God wanted the mark in their flesh to be in the form of circumcision rather than in tattooing or cutting. But Jesus has come to symbolize the new Covenant between God and men- no long do you have to be circumcised to be accepted, so I think the other logic is also reversible- if you're going to get a tattoo, it should be one that is honoring and pleasing to God Well, that's what Jereboam thought when he set up the 2 golden calves at Dan and Shechem, but G-d wasn't too happy about that. G-d forbids pagan implictly, and I think if He wanted us to use those practices to worship Him, He would say so. Lethkhar What does God think about scars? The Bible doesn't say G-d dislikes scars, and I doubt He does, because the're part of the body's natrual healing process. However, cutting yourself intentionally is forbidden, so you wouldn't be able to make a 'scar tatoo' if that ws what you wee thinking. Sorry if my ty[ping is bad, mydesk lamp melted my keyboardm, and i had to take it apart and type by tapping he circutb board inside b/c thekeys don't work. the circut nodes arent labled, so this is vert diffivult.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:17 pm
Silver Wingling Fushigi na Butterfly (Silver Wingling was translating it for me but ... that was a while ago confused ). I lost my Hebrew dictionary... and I haven't been able to find it. Silver Wingling Fushigi na Butterfly The logic behind not getting tattoos isn't simply because your body is the temple of God, and because the Spirit lives within you, but also because it was a common Pagan practice (Pagan here meaning anyone who wasn't an Israelite or a Hebrew). That was how they worshiped their gods. In order to set His people apart from them, God wanted the mark in their flesh to be in the form of circumcision rather than in tattooing or cutting. But Jesus has come to symbolize the new Covenant between God and men- no long do you have to be circumcised to be accepted, so I think the other logic is also reversible- if you're going to get a tattoo, it should be one that is honoring and pleasing to God Well, that's what Jereboam thought when he set up the 2 golden calves at Dan and Shechem, but G-d wasn't too happy about that. G-d forbids pagan implictly, and I think if He wanted us to use those practices to worship Him, He would say so.
Though, that brings up a very interesting question: if tattooing is sinful, is it possible to sin for the glory of God? I mean, the whole sentence itself is a contradiction, but ... I don't know. domokun
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:40 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Silver Wingling Fushigi na Butterfly The logic behind not getting tattoos isn't simply because your body is the temple of God, and because the Spirit lives within you, but also because it was a common Pagan practice (Pagan here meaning anyone who wasn't an Israelite or a Hebrew). That was how they worshiped their gods. In order to set His people apart from them, God wanted the mark in their flesh to be in the form of circumcision rather than in tattooing or cutting. But Jesus has come to symbolize the new Covenant between God and men- no long do you have to be circumcised to be accepted, so I think the other logic is also reversible- if you're going to get a tattoo, it should be one that is honoring and pleasing to God Well, that's what Jereboam thought when he set up the 2 golden calves at Dan and Shechem, but G-d wasn't too happy about that. G-d forbids pagan implictly, and I think if He wanted us to use those practices to worship Him, He would say so.
Though, that brings up a very interesting question: if tattooing is sinful, is it possible to sin for the glory of God? I mean, the whole sentence itself is a contradiction, but ... I don't know. domokun It brings to mind the Hebrew midwives who lied to Pharoah, and were blessed for is... maybe. It's an interesting question.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:50 pm
I, personally, really like piercings and tattoos. I have four piercings in my ear as well as my naval. Tattoos scare me, though I do admire them and may get one one day... maybe.
In general, I feel like, as long as it's pleasing to God, I don't see an issue. I'm kind of with you- if my body is a temple, I should decorate it accordingly. I think there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to do body modification in a God pleasing way.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:06 pm
I would consider tattooing and body piercing to be in line with those laws in the Old Testament that concentrate on being able to be identified as one of God's people. I've yet to decide whether such laws are the traditions of men or an expectation from God. confused
Nevertheless, I honestly believe that the core of a person is far more important to God than outward appearance, so I shouldn't care whether someone is tattooed and/or pierced. Far be it from me to question whether they feel tattooing and/or piercing is acceptable -- that's between them and God.
Personally, I do find a lot of the work that goes into tattooing spectacular and pleasing to the eye, as with a lot of artistic expression, but there comes a point for me when the degree of tattooing on a person detracts from their naturally pleasing features. I find most piercings unattractive but well-designed, well-placed, well-inked tattoos really interest me. On the other hand, I can't see myself being tattooed or pierced because I have a low pain threshold, I believe I would regret having something so permanent/annoying and I'm generally too boring. xd
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:49 pm
Don't tattoo 666 on your forehead and you're good.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:14 pm
I have one tattoo. I'm getting at least two more. To me it's like putting a stained glass window in a church. I mean, if you're putting things that aren't demonic or hateful on your skin forever then it's okay. Of course, back in the day there were problems with dirty needles and blood disease that should be avoided, as most of the rules handed down had a lot to do with health issues. I think that if you're getting body mods at a professional place with clean needles and taking care of it, it's no biggie. Just be sure that what you're putting on your body you won't be embarassed to explain to your grandkids. xd
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:07 am
ryuu_chan Just be sure that what you're putting on your body you won't be embarassed to explain to your grandkids. xd
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:12 am
Priestley ryuu_chan Just be sure that what you're putting on your body you won't be embarassed to explain to your grandkids. xd Hey there!
Just would like to say that made me giggle. xd
My uncle got a tattoo of this scripture, and a cross behind it. One of his non-Christian friends asked what it was, and he actually got to witness. eek So maybe they aren't so bad...?
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:17 pm
Shizuka_Haruka133 Priestley ryuu_chan Just be sure that what you're putting on your body you won't be embarassed to explain to your grandkids. xd Hey there!
Just would like to say that made me giggle. xd
My uncle got a tattoo of this scripture, and a cross behind it. One of his non-Christian friends asked what it was, and he actually got to witness. eek So maybe they aren't so bad...? My mom has at least 6 different tattoos. People ask her about them all the time, and she gets to witness to them. She's led people to Christ through her tattoos. It's amazing.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:37 pm
I'm going to clarify something real quick-the reason God says not to mark your body is because many pagan religions involved marking your body in honor of a "god." This could be done by scarring, tattoos, and who-knows-what. The reason has been lost and confused because those traditions no longer permeate our culture.
In other words, make sure you don't get a tattoo you don't fully understand.
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