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 Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:55 pm
I have counted the number of Lost grounds and am excluding the forest of pain one.
My theory is that the number of Epitaph users is some how directly in tie with the number of lost grounds.
Each lost ground some how ties in with the mentality, attitude of the epitaph user.
Ovan/Haseo are more then likely to be at the holy ground.
Dead wood can tie in with either sakubo or endrance
I havnt tied in the gaps of my theory yet, nor have I tied all of the epitaph users to each lost ground.
Tell me what you think of this.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:04 am
xXsentinelXx I have counted the number of Lost grounds and am excluding the forest of pain one. My theory is that the number of Epitaph users is some how directly in tie with the number of lost grounds. Each lost ground some how ties in with the mentality, attitude of the epitaph user. Ovan/Haseo are more then likely to be at the holy ground. Dead wood can tie in with either sakubo or endrance I havnt tied in the gaps of my theory yet, nor have I tied all of the epitaph users to each lost ground. Tell me what you think of this. I think so far it is well thought out really. I love Sakubo though, They're Avater is amazing. ~ Gorre ~ 
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:42 am
But the Holy Ground was in all the .Hacks, like they said before they're areas that play a role in "The Worlds" storyline.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:07 am
Ryu Mibu But the Holy Ground was in all the .Hacks, like they said before they're areas that play a role in "The Worlds" storyline. Hence their names though, "lost grounds". Just because they didnt te into the story doesnt mean that they did not infact exist. We may not have even been given the keywords to which they could be visited in the first series. So the hole in your theory is, just because we didnt see it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. And different games, different symbology. Those mysterious rooms in the other series could have represented each of the waves just as well.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:48 am
Wow, you've done your homework. I didn't realize about the lost grounds history. But if they are in the game's stroyline then they do play apart in the game. The Holy Ground plays an inportant part in the games though, because that is where Aura's resting place is even in the revision, we might be able to see it physically, but weknow that she lived in the area.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:39 pm
As seen in the first game whist Aura was held in chains, 8 chains to be exact.
Each one representing, what? The waves?
DING DING DING!
After all of them were defeated, it in my oppinion, became just an image with no other meaning to look pretty, but in the second one, you will notice that Aura isnt there.
She is free, and the waves are on her side!
I know I get a lil excited about this lol but I really cant help it >.<
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:59 am
Yes, you have apoint. The chains on Aura are indeed representing the 8 phases in the first game. But do you really think she disappeared on her own in the second game? Or do you think that she was taken away from her home by the new creators of The World ver2? Yes she might've no reason to stand where she was, but you can also think that she is beautiful, even if we can't she a perfect image, right?
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:06 am
If it was that easy to take all of those things away, they would have done it in r:1. I think she moved of her own will, not anything having to do with the creators of r:2.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:34 am
She is the world, and the world is her.
If she wanted to make herself a statue in version 2 then she would have made herself reappear.
In version 1, she was "chained" down, in version 2, she simply wasnt there.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:48 pm
That is true, but you could also think that she could've moved on her own will. Like Shino said, She might've moved because she was sick of this world and didn't want to be worshipped by anyone.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:30 pm
Now your thinking my dear.
I think it strange that even if you destroy a wave, none of the chains break.
Is each chain a single one?
Or do all of them maintain the chains?
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:29 pm
The Eight Phases are a symbol. But are they of the chains? Or could they be of The Worlds Creator, Harald Hoerwick? He created The World and dedicated it his lover, Emma Wielant, and her poem, The Book of Twilight. The Phases could represent his feelings, right? Example: Macha the Temptress - She is the charm that humans have. Humans charm the other gender so they can live together. Herald charmed Emma so he could live her her in peace, but that failed because she died in a car crash. So Macha, in other words, is the sign for Hearld's love for Emma.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:40 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:26 pm
Shadow Hachia Yes, you have apoint. The chains on Aura are indeed representing the 8 phases in the first game. But do you really think she disappeared on her own in the second game? Or do you think that she was taken away from her home by the new creators of The World ver2? Yes she might've no reason to stand where she was, but you can also think that she is beautiful, even if we can't she a perfect image, right? Most likely Aura really did move on her own. In the terminal disk for .hack//G.U. it mentioned that CC corp was saddened by the loss of Aura and that they were trying to find a way to bring her back. So, the creators of 'The World R:2" did nothing to her.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:25 pm
Do you think that just Macha represented his feelings for Emma? Or do you think that all of the phases are part of Harald and his choice for making himself known in "The World"?
If so, lets see how that plays out:
Skeith - Shadow of Death, drowns all that stands.
So a reflection on Harald's view of death? Most likely because of Emma's death. He's drowned in grief in the shadow of death, namely in the aftermath of death.
Innis - Mirage of Deceit, uses the power of illusions
Perhaps the deceit involved in the fact that people have a tendency not to be aware of mortality until they lose someone close to them. So perhaps the illusion of immortality we have that is shattered by loss.
Magus - The Propagation, duplication of data.
Like how he is trying to duplicate himself, and his feelings, and Emma's Epitaph of the Twilight poem
Fidchell - The Prophet, destroys hope with prophecies of a dark future
The loss of hope that Harald would have felt in losing Emma?
Gorre - The Machinator, the strategist behind the wave's success
This would obviously represent Harald's ability to create, namely to make things like Fragment, which later becomes The World. His talent with programming, I'd assume.
Macha - The Temptress, sets traps for enemies of the wave.
Is The World (or was Fragment) perhaps Harald's way of creating a trap for humans because of the pain he felt over the loss of one?
Tarvos - The Avenger, or the punisher, who strikes down any who have escaped
I can't see how this could exactly connect with Harald, or his relationship to Emma. Except perhaps with the concept that people have joined the game, and Tarvos is the representation of a desire to destroy them somehow?
Corbenik - The Rebirth, appears from the void left in the aftermath of the Wave.
A sign that everything is cyclical, and it will all begin anew. Much like it does in The World on several occasions. I connect this one with The Key of the Twilight a bit, actually.
Now then, that's my interpretation, but its very loose. I would wonder about your comparison to Macha to his feelings for Emma, because Macha is, according to the Epitaph of the Twilight, not necessarily about that type of seduction. Also, do you thin seduction played into it or love? Seduction implies lust and ulterior motives. The Epitaph of the Twilight says that "Macha seduces with the sweet trap." This doesn't sound like love at all.. sounds like manipulation that ends horribly.
Do you think that perhaps Harald programmed himself into the games? Also, Emma did write the original poem, so those are her ideas he's perpetuating more than his own. Not only that, but do you think that Harald was malicious? I do think that The Rebirth shows that perhaps he isn't, because he's creating a cycle. That means there are good and bad aspects. Basically, I always thought that Aura, the Key of the Twilight, represented Emma herself, and that Morganna was created as a way to represent her car accident, and the many aspects of her death, and that the Rebirth signifies Harald's hope for her well-being in Heaven, or something along those lines.
As for the Lost Grounds... they obviously have some sort of correlation to Harald, Emma, Aura, Morganna, all that junk. That's been proven. I think that Harald definitely created them, and they were probably a part of Fragment. It makes sense, because why is Fragment called that? Perhaps because it is in some sense "incomplete", just like the Lost Grounds are. I believe that Harald created the Lost Grounds and embedded them within the fabric of his programming. They were created as a place for Aura to live, I always felt. For his image of Emma to be free. Morganna wants to mess around in them because it means screwing with Aura's development, so that she will still technically have a function. She's overseeing the birth of the Ultimate AI (Aura, the Key of the Twilight) so she understands that if the Ultimate AI is ever completed, she will have no function and probably cease to exist. Hence the delay on Aura's birth.
So, I'm done... with my schpeal sweatdrop
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