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 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:33 pm
I'm not sure what really qualifies as "sexual misconduct"... Do porn and masturbation count? I'm just wondering, because as far as I know, that's a really gray area of the teachings...
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:28 pm
Do you think porn and masturbation are unwholesome for you?
That's what it depends on.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:04 pm
Okay, so it's all what I see as wrong?
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:01 pm
kainhighwind2 Okay, so it's all what I see as wrong? Depends on what you consider "wrong." Dualistic interpretations aside, Buddhism is all about recognizing what is keeping you from ultimate happiness, and eliminating those things from your life. For example, I used to be a huge porn addict, however, I've long felt like it was an addiction that needed to be broken, as near all of my girlfriends that I've ever had, disagreed it in to some degree or another. Recently I took the final step and installed a blocker on my computer.. long story short, I'm overcoming a slight psychological dependence on pornography. If pornography is just fueling the cycles of samsara (which, sorry amigo, I would think it is..) then yes, it's sexual misconduct. Keep in mind the Buddha had his followers all dressed in orange robes and forsake sexuality completely.. It all depends on how deep into the rabbit hole you want to go. However, the most important thing is that you think for yourself, as wide a spectrum as the Buddha covered, he doesn't know you personally, and neither do I. You will know for yourself what is really wholesome, and unwholesome. (Don't trick yourself into thinking something is wholesome, just because it feels good.. Past mistake.)
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:13 pm
It all depends on what you believe. If you feel good about it then its okay. If you feel its weighing you down or making you feel bad or anything like that, then you need to change it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:13 am
Mrs Joe Trohman It all depends on what you believe. If you feel good about it then its okay. If you feel its weighing you down or making you feel bad or anything like that, then its all good. I agree to a point. I didn't think pornography was bad for me until I tried to quit. Only then did I realize the grasp porn had on my psyche. The Buddha spend his life up to enlightenment trying to find out what was bad for him, and in alot of cases, your first instinct will be biased in favor of the sensory temptations, because simply put, that's how sensory temptations work. I hope this isn't confusing. If this question is tearing you apart, then let me tell you, pornography is most likely not something you should indulge in. Masturbation as well. Try going stale for a week, if you suffer, then the craving needs to be let go of.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:56 pm
I actually agree with Peace.
To an extent, if you think its okay for you, then its cool. But sometimes you really can't differentiate between what's okay for you, and what's an addiction. I hope I worded that right. When you're addicted to something, I don't believe its easy to tell yourself you don't need it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:37 pm
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" -Buddha
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:36 am
I'm going to be candidly honest with you all right now, i am addicted (as far as i can tell) to porn and masturbation. and i can already see it's consequences unfolding in my mind. I struggle with this every day. So in my eyes that precept is all too true with porn and masturbation.
but sex to other people can have much less impact on their mind, they have a lesser disposition towards becoming addicted to it, and possibly being interested in it at all. But i feel that as soon as i feel compelled to masturbate i have to remind myself that that compulsion is a symptom of my addiction and i should not appease it.
its up to you, pay attention to your own thoughts when you are confronted with the compulsion or even the fleeting interest in anything related to it. pay attention to how it might effect your mind even when you aren't confronted with such thoughts and how could that state of mind be connected or affected by the state of mind when you are thinking about it, if there even is an effect that you can see.
but always be skeptical of your own mind, your own intuition, in my experience the mind dose not want to let go of what it craves. and it is capable of tricking you, developing denial systems, rationalizing why it's OK to do it. examine deeply, take no thought for granted.
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:12 am
kainhighwind2 I'm not sure what really qualifies as "sexual misconduct"... Do porn and masturbation count? I'm just wondering, because as far as I know, that's a really gray area of the teachings... It depends, I suppose. IMO, I would say for me, that would qualify as misconduct. But if you do not see them as evils, then there's no problem as far as I can see. If you are unable to stop such behaviors whenever you wish, though, without withdrawals/urges/etc., then I believe it to be a problem... and sexual misconduct.
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:10 pm
If porn and masturbation are keeping you in a samsaric cycle then yes. If you actively seek to watch porn or masturbate every day, and you feel like you cannot go without either, then it's best that you DO go without it, as, for you, it would be sexual misconduct.
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:25 am
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:05 am
EGIL MY GOOD MAN! fancy meeting you here.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:10 pm
It depends. For someone through no fault of their own can't have sex with others safely then I feel it is fine. IF someone doesn't feel like they are real for the real thing I think it is fine. If they are merry well I don't know becasue I am not merry it can depend if it is something both partners consent to then it is fine if not then it is 'wrong'.
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:52 pm
Mmmm. Doesn't it totally rule? biggrin
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