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Zaurak

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:40 pm


The world of Harry Potter has a wonderful cast of secondary and supporting characters. Some are good, some are evil, some are annoying,a nd some are mentioned once never to be seen again. And all of them , or at least all the British ones, have to at one time attended Hogwarts. My questio is: what houses did they belong to? Some of these characters, once you think about it, are really hard to place: Cornelius Fudge for example.

The purpose of thsi thread is to take one charcter, whether you love them or hate them whose house is unkown and put what you think it is and why.

Or, if you want, you can even put a character whose house is known and tell us why you think they were placed wrongly.

I'll start:
Rita Skeeter: Gryffindor, definately. At first I thought Ravenclaw, being someone who wrote for a living and was intelligent enough to become an animagus. However, once I actually thought it through, I realized that Gryffindor was much more fitting; she definately exhibits courage of the Romilda Vane variety. She actually sneaks into hogwarts, despite Dumbeldore forbidding her to. Dumbledore! The man even Voldemort fears!

Your turn. smile
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:38 pm


Zaurak

I'll start:
Rita Skeeter: Gryffindor, definately. At first I thought Ravenclaw, being someone who wrote for a living and was intelligent enough to become an animagus. However, once I actually thought it through, I realized that Gryffindor was much more fitting; she definately exhibits courage of the Romilda Vane variety. She actually sneaks into hogwarts, despite Dumbeldore forbidding her to. Dumbledore! The man even Voldemort fears!

Your turn. smile

Hmm, interesting comparison with Romilda Vane, as I would have thought someone as sneaky and self-serving as Rita Skeeter would probably be more Slytherin-material, but I guess we've seen that Gryffindors can have those characteristics as well and that bravery doesn't have to be noble.

I read an interesting editorial on Mugglenet that analyzed the DADA teachers' personalities and what houses they were probably in (or were in in Lupin's case; this was before HBP came out, so Snape wasn't mentioned). The writer suggests that with each DADA teacher, JKR is, in some cases, showing a new type of evil outside of the typical Slytherin/Death Eater kind and, in most cases, introducing a new character category, such as bad people who aren't Slytherin, or bad Slytherin's who aren't Death Eaters, or even bad Gryffindor's who aren't Death Eaters, as Wormtail was the only bad Gryffindor we had seen, and suggested in the end that the new teacher in HBP would represent a Slytherin who was good (which was the case, though Slughorn wasn't DADA. Snape, the author claims, is the character category of ambiguous Slytherin). Here's the basic gist of it:

Quirrel: Ravenclaw - We don't know much about him, but he seems to have been interested in pursuing knowledge, as he left his teaching position to study for a time. I don't quite remember the analysis he made of a bad Ravenclaw, but Quirrel represented it.

Lockhart: Gryffindor - While Lockhart himself was not very brave, he obviously valued bravery, which is why he stole all those stories (and he may not have had a mind to do that when he was in school, so when he was sorted, there could have been some bravery there). And unlike Wormtail, he wasn't a Death Eater, but he was still bad.

Lupin: Gryffindor/Good (we all know that...)

Barty Crouch, Jr.: Hufflepuff - I think we can all agree that he is extremely loyal to Voldemort. Therefore, he represents how a Hufflepuff's loyalty can be negative.

Umbridge: Slytherin - She's power-hungry and she likes using that power. However, she's not a Death Eater, even though she's a bad Slytherin, which is a new character category.

Here it is if anyone wants to read it (even if it is pre-HBP).

-okonomiyaki o konomu-


Zaurak

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:42 pm


Oh, that's really interesting. O: I disagree ons ome poins though, as I hold Lockhart is a Slytherin, but the "valuing bravery" idea is a good point. Barty Jr. as Hufflepuff is something I never would've thought of, but it makes sense. Thanks for the link, I'll go check it out. biggrin
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:14 pm


I would definitely say Umbridge was either a Hufflepuff or Slytherin. Shes nasty like a Slytherin, but I could picture her as a Hufflepuff (pink cardigans=hufflepuff in my mind, thank you very much).

KitsuneTsuki


-okonomiyaki o konomu-

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:24 pm


KitsuneTsuki
I would definitely say Umbridge was either a Hufflepuff or Slytherin. Shes nasty like a Slytherin, but I could picture her as a Hufflepuff (pink cardigans=hufflepuff in my mind, thank you very much).

As power-hungry as she was (and as willing as she was to manipulate things to get herself more power) and as much as she liked the Slytherins, I would find it very hard to believe she's a Hufflepuff, though she does have some qualities that might be more Hufflepuff, like she's loyal to Fudge (though that could be for ambitious reasons, similar to Percy), and she wants everyone to think like she does (which is the negative end of being team-oriented). I really think she's a Slytherin though.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:27 pm


I agree, Umbridge's a definate shoo-in for Sytherin.

I've never understood why liking pastels would make someone Hufflepuff or un-Slytherin. Not all, in fact, I would go so far as to say most, Slytherins are not goths.

Plenty of evil people like pink. heart

Zaurak


Empress_Kat
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:15 pm


I must say, I'm rather offended how most of the negative characters in this thread (Umbridge, Lockhart) and in general are classified as Slytherins just because people don't like them, or they aren't nice people.

Slytherin x* Evil
Evil x Slytherin


Everyone assumes all the Death Eaters are Slytherin, occaisionally people assume that all the Slytherins are Death Eaters.

Lockhart shows no Slytherin characteristics other then being a 'bad guy'. Umbridge doesn't seem extremely Slytherin to me, either, although I definatly wouldn't rule it out.


* does not equal
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:36 pm


Empress_Kat
I must say, I'm rather offended how most of the negative characters in this thread (Umbridge, Lockhart) and in general are classified as Slytherins just because people don't like them, or they aren't nice people.

Slytherin x* Evil
Evil x Slytherin


Everyone assumes all the Death Eaters are Slytherin, occaisionally people assume that all the Slytherins are Death Eaters.

Lockhart shows no Slytherin characteristics other then being a 'bad guy'. Umbridge doesn't seem extremely Slytherin to me, either, although I definatly wouldn't rule it out.


* does not equal
I think you're jumping to conclusions here. We said Lockhart was a Gryffindor. And there are very good reasons to assume Umbridge was a Slytherin, if you'd take time to read them. I also want to point out that no one said "umbrige wuz a totel slitherin bcuz shes evil n i h8 her scream scream scream scream scream scream scream "

Departed Memories


Zaurak

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:29 pm


No, I think she's upset because of "My plenty of evil people like pink." comment. When in context I implied that all Slytherins are evil. My apolgies, they're not. There's a couple of Slytherin characters in the book who aren't bad, and plenty of Slytherins on this forum who are good.

I disagree however, with Empress Kat's statement that neither Lockhart or Umbridge are Slytherins. I actually have a thread around here somewhere stating why I believe Lockhart is Slytherin, and I point in the direction of the link we were so gracously applied with for explanations on Umbridge.

However, this is not the point of the thread! I know off topic is fine, but we haven't even gone a whole page yet! Besides, as stimuilating as conflict is to a forum, I really don't want this to degenerate into a flame war over the merits of Slytherin House and its inhabitants.

Love ya all. heart
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:03 pm


Empress_Kat
I must say, I'm rather offended how most of the negative characters in this thread (Umbridge, Lockhart) and in general are classified as Slytherins just because people don't like them, or they aren't nice people.

Slytherin x* Evil
Evil x Slytherin


Everyone assumes all the Death Eaters are Slytherin, occaisionally people assume that all the Slytherins are Death Eaters.

Lockhart shows no Slytherin characteristics other then being a 'bad guy'. Umbridge doesn't seem extremely Slytherin to me, either, although I definatly wouldn't rule it out.


* does not equal

Did you uh... read my post? Just wondering.

And sorry Zaurak, though I do think that the characteristics of a house should be considered when putting characters into that house. It's true that we shouldn't put someone into Slytherin because they're evil or because they're a Death Eater (Not that anyone did). Again, sorry.

And to contribute to the thread a little bit better... well, crap. I can't think of anyone to put into a house. I guess I'll just reiterate that most of the evidence does seem to point to Umbridge being a Slytherin. If she were anything else, why would she favor them so much?

-okonomiyaki o konomu-


Sakura_kura
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:15 pm


Very good idea of a topic, and since I though about something like this awhile ago, I would give you five point.

Unfortuantly the forum is wack and I can't.

But I will take note for when I can.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:27 pm


Lockhart seems like the Hufflepuff type to me...

The Fluff


-okonomiyaki o konomu-

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:50 pm


The Fluff
Lockhart seems like the Hufflepuff type to me...

But does he? I mean, what are the characteristics of a Hufflepuff? Loyal and hardworking, right? He's not what I would call hardworking, and he's not so loyal to anything to the point that we'd notice it and call him a loyal person (like in Barty Crouch, Jr.,'s case). Hufflepuffs seem to be group-oriented people, but there's nothing about Lockhart that suggests that he is; in fact, he seems to care more about himself, which is why I think people often put him in Slytherin.

Going along with the evil Slytherin stereotype, there also seems to be the idiot/talentless Hufflepuff stereotype. I think one of the reasons JKR made Cedric a Hufflepuff was to dispel that stereotype. But, I digress...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:13 pm


The Fluff
Lockhart seems like the Hufflepuff type to me...


There's no way he's in hufflepuff. He's much more Slytherin. I mean, he wouldn't have taken credit for what all those people did if he was fair, now would he? No, Lockhart is power-hungry. But, it's a different power-hungry. He wants popularity, which in turn will give him power. Lockhart's not loyal, he's not fair, he's nothing like a hufflepuff! He's a slytherin, through and through.

David FTW


Unwritten Hero

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:16 pm


Homigwtf. Poppet.
The Fluff
Lockhart seems like the Hufflepuff type to me...


There's no way he's in hufflepuff. He's much more Slytherin. I mean, he wouldn't have taken credit for what all those people did if he was fair, now would he? No, Lockhart is power-hungry. But, it's a different power-hungry. He wants popularity, which in turn will give him power. Lockhart's not loyal, he's not fair, he's nothing like a hufflepuff! He's a slytherin, through and through.
I completely agree! Hufflepuff's are talented fair and true. Lockhart is none of those things.
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