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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:12 pm
Okay, WHY? Why do Protestants and Catholics have to kill each other so much? Just look at Ireland. What is the use? What is there to gain by all this violence? If you must fight somebody why not start a war in a tyrannical dictatorship that needs to have it's ruler overthrown for the good of it's people? Can't you just STOP KILLING EACH OTHER FOR NO GOOD REASON?! GAH!
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 3:03 pm
It's a cycle of violence fueled by hurt, anger and desire for revenge, if anything. One person or group of people hate/fear another person or group of people then the hate/fear becomes 'reason' enough to attack. It's hardly anything to do with religion at all. A denomination in the case of Protestant/Catholic violence is merely a label with which someone identifies in order to take part in the violence. I mean, if they truly had any faith, they would practice the faith to which they prescribe.
Heads up: the mods will be keeping an eye on this thread just in case it becomes a denomination war.
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:48 pm
Priestley It's a cycle of violence fueled by hurt, anger and desire for revenge, if anything. One person or group of people hate/fear another person or group of people the hate/fear becomes 'reason' enough to attack. It's hardly anything to do with religion at all. A denomination in the case of Protestant/Catholic violence is merely a label with which someone identifies in order to take part in the violence. I mean, if they truly had any faith, they would practice the faith to which they prescribe.
Heads up: the mods will be keeping an eye on this thread just in case it becomes a denomination war. Well, I am neither Protestant or Catholic, so I will starts fights with nobody. I hope nobody else does, either.
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:40 pm
This topic has the potential to become a flaming war; hopefully, that will not happen.
Someone once said in this thread: "Denominations, Satan's job made easy." Denominations do nothing but separate the Church (and by the Church I mean Christians). The killing, I think, is a result of ignorance, and fear as a result of that, and hatred as a result of that. This is why we're supposed to be unified as one Body.
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:48 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly This topic has the potential to become a flaming war; hopefully, that will not happen.
Someone once said in this thread: "Denominations, Satan's job made easy." Denominations do nothing but separate the Church (and by the Church I mean Christians). The killing, I think, is a result of ignorance, and fear as a result of that, and hatred as a result of that. This is why we're supposed to be unified as one Body. That is what I attempt to say. And if it does become a flame war it will just prove you and I right.
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:03 am
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that isn't going to happen. People (in general) are too stupid and too stubborn to agree on anything.
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:21 am
Valley, we're not picking on you, we're just warning you that it's guild procedure to avoid thread topics being that of 'Denomination VS Denomination' or 'Religion VS Religion' as a matter of guild policy.
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:46 pm
Priestley Valley, we're not picking on you, we're just warning you that it's guild procedure to avoid thread topics being that of 'Denomination VS Denomination' or 'Religion VS Religion' as a matter of guild policy. I am not trying to do Protestant vs Catholic. I am just trying to express the stupidity of the fight.
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:30 pm
Valley of the Kings Priestley Valley, we're not picking on you, we're just warning you that it's guild procedure to avoid thread topics being that of 'Denomination VS Denomination' or 'Religion VS Religion' as a matter of guild policy. I am not trying to do Protestant vs Catholic. I am just trying to express the stupidity of the fight. Yeah, I know, which is why I said we're not picking on you. We're explaining the general rule to you, that's all. 3nodding
To further the discussion a little, I know it seems stupid but many people have been hurt, killed and have killed in denominational wars. It's not easy to say "this is stupid, why are we fighting?" when so much blood has been spilled on both sides. It takes some serious peacemaking to heal that amount of hurt. I'm in awe of the people who have that kind of gift. smile
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:44 pm
I think it comes from our basic flaw as humans. We naturally want power, control, popularity, to be thought of as being correct, and to hurt those who don't give us what we want. Along with these comes the basic instincts to protect and defend what helps us survive or what's important to us. The Catholics had a lot of power and control in Europe. When Martin Luther posted the 95 theses on the door of the church going against some of what the Catholics taught, it hurt them and their basic human instinct (I'm not completely sure that's the right word...hopefully you get what I'm saying) compelled them to take action against the threat to their power. Unfortunately for them, the theses got the attention of the people, and some of them broke off to create the Protestent church. So with the Catholics attacking them and their beliefs, the Protestents fought back and the result led to the current fighting between them, with a long history of violence and bloodshed behind them.
However I will agree with you that there is little use in the constant fighting between them. In this case, along with many others, diplomacy would be a better course of action. Sitting down and discussing your differences and/or agreeing to disagree would be much more peaceful and would probably resolve the issue faster. However, seeing as it is a human instinct to fight when we get angry or hurt or pushed aside or a number of other things, I doubt they will stop fighting and continue the peaceful discussion, unless someone spectacular comes along and keeps them talking. Last I heard on Ireland, someone (and I forget who and don't feel like looking it up) came in and managed to sit both sides down. I think that might have been a few years ago, so I don't have any current info.
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:07 pm
Sarcastic_Angel However I will agree with you that there is little use in the constant fighting between them. In this case, along with many others, diplomacy would be a better course of action. Sitting down and discussing your differences and/or agreeing to disagree would be much more peaceful and would probably resolve the issue faster. However, seeing as it is a human instinct to fight when we get angry or hurt or pushed aside or a number of other things, I doubt they will stop fighting and continue the peaceful discussion, unless someone spectacular comes along and keeps them talking. Last I heard on Ireland, someone (and I forget who and don't feel like looking it up) came in and managed to sit both sides down. I think that might have been a few years ago, so I don't have any current info. Yea. I cannot count how many pointless fistfights I have ended up in. As for Ireland, the violence heats up and cools down every few years.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:45 pm
The same reason Israelis and Palestinians kill one another.
Now it's much more over land and revenge than the actual faith bit. Plus, now many of the children are raised radical, and their trained that way from a young age. The guy I'm dating has cousins in Ireland, and he said they're all nuts, and I also think they were involved in a very large conflict in Ireland in the 90s, though I don't really remember which. There's a lot of work that needs to be done in these areas.
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:30 pm
The whole fighting thing does sound ridiculous, but it happens everywhere. I mean, we are living in a fallen world and we can't expect that everyone is going to agree...or rather be peaceful about anything. If anything, the finger should be pointed at sin, the sin that has affected this fall of man and this world. Disease, deceit, arguments, violence, murder, death, etcetera is all connected to sin. If Adam and Eve did not sin, we'd probably be living in a perfect world...but we're not. Things in this world will happen, for the good and bad, and we as humans can do nothing about it...we just don't have the ultimate power that God has. So, the only thing we can do is pray and be an example by living a godly life. We cannot make the world a better place because that is why God created Heaven...a perfect place with no tears, sickness, violence, and death...just the fellowship with other believers and God himself. 4laugh
YAY GOD!!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:04 pm
I'm glad I'm non-denominational mad
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:39 pm
Ophelianime I'm glad I'm non-denominational mad Disclaimer: Not that being part of any one denomination is lesser than being a member of another denomination or no denomination at all. 3nodding
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