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Hi, this is Max's new thread. If you've never met me before, this must be your first time in the guild. I'm a complete cockfag that hates everyone and no one likes, but I know some stuff about WoW. This is my levelling and talent thread, where I'll be giving talent advice and very slight levelling advice for each class. If you have any questions, please check that particular classes FAQ before posting.



So, warriors are a gay class. Seriously, worst class in the game. Don't roll one. They wear mail and plate at 40, and they're a very gear dependent class. Learn to spam heroic strike and train yourself to actually use Demo shout because it's not that terrible.

Levelling: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LZVV0VxxRVuVo

Get Dual Wield Specialization before Enrage. You can get Weapon Mastery whenever you wanna fit it in, some people prefer to wait until after rampage. Use two one-handers, making your main hand preferably the slower one.

Protection tank: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LA0czZVZbEpoI0kcxst

That's the best tanking build end-game. You can take three points out of toughness and put them in Tactical Mastery, it's your choice. Only one point in improved shield wall because the second point only gives an extra two seconds, and it's just not as worth it. Depends on your preference, of course. The spell damage block talent isn't actually exactly 6%, it's a 5.88% reduction, in case you were wondering. It's okay, but ultimately not worth it. If you wanna argue about Imp. Thunder Clap, you're bad.

PvP: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xdNbqM0zbZVVzmMxRc

This is the Arms PvP build. It's pretty much the #1 build used currently for arena DPS.

Fury PvE DPS: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LA0czhbZVV0VxxRVuqo

And finally, the Fury raiding/party build. This is the staple fury build and is the #1 DPS build you can get. Learn to use it well, and you'll love it.

Fury/Prot Hybrid: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LVZVV0GxxRVuqofVzo

This is the build for people who want to DPS but also like to be able to tank fairly well during 5-mans or other encounters. It's still a strong DPS build, just not as strong as a 17/44. However, I know many warriors that use this build (including myself) so that they are strong tanks while keeping their solo viability.



Q: Max, why do you get Commanding Presence in some of your builds but you say that other % based talents are bad?
A: Commanding Presence is actually good! A 25% increase in this position actually gives quite a bit. Lets look at it at level 32 and level 70...

Level 32 Battle Shout gives 85 attack power. With Commanding Presence, it gives an extra 21 attack power and some change. So, that's 106 attack power that you're getting. That's a pretty nice improvement, and will actually increase the DPS on both your weapons by 2-4 (rough estimate) at this level.

Now, at level 70 Battle Shout gives 305 attack power. Commanding Presence gives roughly 76 extra attack power. That's pretty huge. So, while commanding presence doesn't seem great at first, it's actually a decent buff to give yourself. However, Piercing Howl will always be better if you expect to be PvPing with whatever specc you are.

Q: Max, I thought that 2h Arms was the best levelling specc?
A: Not anymore. While 2h Arms is still decent, Fury will get a higher dps and actually kill things quite a bit faster. Also, since Sweeping Strikes was added to Fury, the Fury tree is definitely better for questing with as it allows you to take down multiple targets at once without having to almost die or burn Retaliation to do it.

Q: What's up with Demo. Shout? What's the best way to use it?
A: Well, Demo Shout is a tricky beast. The rule goes that two points in Imp. Demo. Shout if your guild doesn't use Curse Of Recklessness, and 5 points if it does. I recommend 100% of the time to use Curse of Recklessness and Imp. Demo Shout if possible, as it does help the DPS out. Also, if you are a DPS warrior, just go ahead and take Imp. Thunder Clap and Imp. Demo Shout. You don't necessarily have to take both, but if you can take one, that frees up extra talent points for your tank, which makes his job easier.

Q: Max, do you even have a warrior that proves you know something about this class?
A: Yes, I do! Although, he is a fairly low level, he is currently my main. Link to his armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Rexxar&n=Smashface

Druids are a cool class. They can become stuff, and then go back to original thing.

Levelling: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZxGMccrRxdio

That's your main levelling build. Go into cat form, kill things. This also sets you up to go into an all-around decent build for everything.

All-around decent build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zZxGGsfroeuioVx0z or http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZxGMccrRxdioVEuz

This build allows you to heal when needed, like if you're in a 5-man and they need a healer, but also DPS the s**t out of everything so you're not crappy solo. It's an all-around good build. The second build is more healing focused, and isn't as good in feral form.

Raiding healing: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZZxEIteqMest

Wow, that was easy. Throw everything in one tree. This is for raid healing.

Arena healing: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zjZVMhoZVVIhcq0xsx

Now, this one differs a lot from druid to druid, but I'll explain why points are mixed in all over the place. The points in balance are necessary so that your form of CC is reliable. Like I said in the warlock section, arena is based on LoS. If you root that crazy melee thing that's trying to kill you, you can go hide behind something so they can't charge you (they can't see you), while you heal your time. The points in feral are for going into bear form. The great thing about druids in arenas is that they can't be mana burned down, because they can go into bear form. They're also much harder to kill in bear form, obviously, because the health and armor boost plus the fact that they have all that resilience.

Raid boomkin: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0xcrzicsguAZZxxcb

Rawr raid boomkin. This build has all the essential Balance talents included, so there isn't that much to play around with here. I took Control Of Nature just to give you some talent points to tier up some more, and it's not that terrible when you consider it's uses outside a raid. I honestly have no idea about PvP boomkins, as I don't really pay attention to arenas that much, especially when it comes to druids.

Druid FAQ

Q: Max, why don't you like Imp. MoTW?
A: Because it's a shitty talent that gives a few extra stats at most. Furor is always better if you're ever going to be shifting. Trust me on this one.

Q: Max, do you have a druid that proves you actually know wtf you're talking about?
A: No.

Q: Max, why do you not take insect swarm in arena healing so people have to debuff through that to get to entangling roots?
A: Because that's not the specc that I would use. Again, all these talent builds allow for a little bit of variation, and I completely invite you to fix them so they're your own. I'm only presenting the best builds that I know and would use so that you can see what's good and what's bad.

Rogues are a gay class that goes invisible and s**t.

Levelling build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fGeboLZMhEz0VzxMhRt

Combat swords levelling build. Always get Imp. SS as your first talent. After that, I like to get Malice and Remorseless Attacks and then continue up the Combat tree.

Combat Swords DPS: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebovZGcV0bVzxMGkt

This is the highest DPS specc possible for a rogue.

Shadowstep PvP: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebovZZxMjoMGRoxst

This is shadowstep PvP. Use swords/maces/fists.

Mutilate PvP: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0efRfMsizVohdVbbV

This is considered the top Mutilate specc, as far as a I know, and it's PvP DPS is tremendous. This build has variations, of course, (I've seen 43/0/18, which is just as good, maybe even better depending on your team setup), but this is the core build of it.

Rogue FAQ

Q: Max, why don't you include other builds, like Vigor/Prep?
A: I wanted to present the most commonly used builds and try to focus on those. Vigor/Prep is a fine build, but I simply don't want to take the space to include a bunch of builds when there are 3-4 that sum it all up perfectly.

Q: Max, do you have a rogue that proves that you know something about this class?
A: No, but I play on a mate's rogue every now and then.

I honestly know very little about mages except from what I've learned by talking to two mages for about 10 minutes each. Weeeeee. Here we go.

PvE arcane: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oixVf0czxIuioxT0z

This is an AB/AM build, and AB should be spammed with AM as filler. I took Pyroblast for that extra DPS when/if needed, although you can honestly through those 11 or 12 points in frost if you want. This, from what I've been told, can actually outperform a 10/48/3, and is the #1 raid DPS specc at the moment. There is also a variation of this cycle that makes supreme use of Mystical Skyfire Diamond for complete AM spam. It's also supposedly easier to gear for, requiring only the T4 helm. If you were going to do that, it'd be a AP/POM/Pyro in between complete and total AM spam.

PvP Frost: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0y0obZZiVGIobxsioz

This is a strong survivability PvP arena specc. It is a copy-pasta from one of my mage friends, and I know absolutely nothing about it. Ask me about the PvE arcane build though, I understand that one!

Mage FAQ

Q: Max, do you know anything about mages?
A: Not really. I've learned a little from talking with mages, but everything that I posted here is pretty much the extent of my knowledge.

Paladins are an interesting class. Ret still sucks pretty bad in DPS compared to some classes, but there are fights and situations where it's actually good, and I'm seeing an increasing number of ret pallies in raids. Their other two trees, however, are suberb. I used to think that paladins sucked at everything except single-target healing, but I've learned the error of my ways.

Prot tanking: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtIb0dMgqtVbx0h

This is the staple build for prot tanking. It grabs the essential talents (imp. parry, for example, is particularly important for avoidance) and is the specc that I see most paladin tanks using.

Retribution build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZVhZEf0t0cuiIot

An altered version of this can be used to level. This is the Ret build that I see most raiders using, although I have seen slight variations. Experiment around a bit, but this is probably the best Ret build you can find. :B

PvE Healing build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVxurgkGestxMu

I've seen builds that actually take Imp. Blessing Of Might for better raid buffing, but this build is the absolute best raid healing specc that a paladin can use.

PvP healing: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVxuMxzhesuVMphMc

As you can tell, this healing build centers a lot more around personal survivability than the PvE healing build. I've seen some builds that take it even further than this, pouring some more points into Protection for Blessing Of Sanctuary. However, this sacrifices Divine Illumination, which I disagree with a lot. Try both out, but I'll think you'll fine that DI is more useful in a pinch.

Paladin FAQ

Q: Max, do you have a paladin?
A: No, but I've thought about levelling one many times. Then I try it and get bored, so I go back to another class. 3nodding

i go Subtlety because of HEMO FTW!!!!!!!
hemo pwns ^^
but really think combat is the best

I was about to reply with almost that exact same build, except with the points in Stoicism in Anticipation. That's not to say that Stoicism isn't a good talent, it's just that 99.99999999% of things that should count as a stun don't in raid situations. PoJ, however is a fantastic talent. Although random as hell, the extra 3% chance that the mob will miss you with spells is a huge boon to a Pally, since our magic mitigation is full of fail.

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