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Elder

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:11 am


So for basically emo reasons not worth mentioning, I decided to join the Navy.

I went yesterday. Those on my Twitter already know this story, but here it is on repeat anyway:

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User ImageWell I wanted to join the canadian forces but they only allow canadian citizens (which makes sense) so I'm kind of limited to my own country.

When I was looking at the Navy, they pay 100% of all education expenses, and most classes you take in Navy will transfer anywhere (so they say.. I hardly believe that) whereas the othe rbranches have a price barrier for education and don't seem to have this class- transfer feature... Or whatever.

Also, yes, I want to travel the world and while I know the other branches you can travel, it seemed like the Navy was reallyt he only one that did it internationally.


Anyway, I went to the recruiter today, and just as I was going to open the door, someone from the National Guard caught my attention and I ended up going to that office instead.

I didn't even know what the National Guard did but they said that they, unlike all of the other branches, can actually guarantee a job before I go to basic. (I know I cannot be guaranteed the job I want in all of the other branches, so she drew me in).

So basically what the National Guard is is some glorified policemen, or maybe the army reserve's reserve...

Regardless they had a communications job that seemed interesting and it was in my field. Plus, they said that they could take my current college credits and promote me almost immediately.

Needless to say I signed most of the papers but my enlistment won't be finalized until about next week.

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So after that, My dad is saying that once I go into active duty with the Army, my occupation won't be the same is it should be listed on paper; that I have as much chance getting the job I applied for in the National Guard as I do in the Navy.

The National Guard basically guarantees I get the training for the job I want, but not the actual job I want.

to This:

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Bah. See that is what my dad is saying; that since I'm going into active duty for the army, they can do the same thing as any normal branch, and have me work some other job I don't want to do.
But I still don't really understand how it all works.

I gave them 3 fields: IT, Arts & Media, and Communications.
But they instead gave me this paper with the current available jobs on it and I picked one.

If that's not the only way to do it then I'd like to figure out if there's a different way...

If I have the same chance of being ******** over in the job area in the National Guard as I do in the Navy, then I want to go back to the Navy, because I want my ******** benefits D<

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So right now I'm in a state of wishy-washy maybe Navy, Maybe National Guard.

But I'll definately be signing up for one of them for good soon.
This weekend I get to visit the base training camp for the National Guard (I didn't know you could do that!) and see what goes on.
So I can see what I'm getting into.

But really, I'm going to join one of the other (officially) soon.

Just letting you all know.
I'll give updates as it happens.
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:01 pm


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Q, don't leave me, no really don't.

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The Retanator

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:15 pm


Do the national guard members have to go through as long of a boot camp as Marines do? (13 weeks)
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:14 pm


It's the same boot camp as Army, so I either 11 - 13.

[Q]

Elder


MonJ Redux

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:42 pm


Oh man, oh geez, here it comes.

Marine is same boot camp as army?!?!? ...Is that in your favor or against you? Or do you just not care? question *Is curious, and wants answer if you can give*
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:52 pm


MonJ Redux
Oh man, oh geez, here it comes.

Marine is same boot camp as army?!?!? ...Is that in your favor or against you? Or do you just not care? question *Is curious, and wants answer if you can give*


No, Marine Boot Camp goes 13 weeks, and I think it's the longest, so therefore Army must be about 11...

The Retanator


Sibeiko

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:05 pm


Just so you know... When the Navy says "you get to see the world"... that over 3/4 of the world (or so, I may be wrong, but you get the point) is water...

>_>



And the military is definitely a different style of life than civilian, which can be a good or a bad thing... Just, you gotta be at least somewhat strong (mentally, they can fix you physically if you need it... and you will. ^_^) I figured out the hard way that it wasn't for me...

And the Navy, as far as I know, lets you go with the job you pick (of course, may be limited to what they need)... I mean, it wouldn't make sense to tell someone that they're going into field "x" and instead make them do something totally different... then again, I was going in as a nuke, and they're needed from what I understand... >_>( )

In any case, good luck! I wish the best for you, and it's definitely a decision that you should be proud of. ^_^
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:54 pm


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Army is like 11 - 12, Navy is 8. xd

Anyway I've asked 3 different Guard people about the whole job thing, they all say they can guarantee it, but then three totally different people who aren't guard but are in the armed forces say they can't.

It's like... Baw, who to believe?

Sib: It says right on the Navy's page they can't guarantee you the job you want.
In the National Guard, you chose from a list of available jobs and get the job you want from that list before you even go into basic. Like it's on your paperwork and everything.

But in the rest of the branches, you have to go through basic first, and then pick from the list of opened jobs, but they'll still push you toward maybe a more needed job... Or so I hear.

I know there's more ways to this, but as a civilian I obviously don't know completely what's going on.

As far as "seeing the world" being water, well.
1.) There are land-based jobs.
2.) Who said I didn't like water? =P

[Q]

Elder


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:10 am


Q IM GOING TO MISS YOU D:

Can I send you mail? If you dont know you should let me know if I can when you find out heart
PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:04 am


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If it's possible to send mail, then sure.

Update:

So today it's becoming rather clear that the Guard doesn't seem to have such a guarantee over what type of job I can get.
If I have time today I'll go to the Navy Recuiter and talk to them personally, and see what they say about the Guard (and themselves).

I've been talking to an ex-navyman and he's not saying anything bad about the navy and jobs, however my family has a personal friend who was ******** over in his job (but he got it 2 years later, finally).

Still really not sure what to think at this point.
But I'm looking forward to going and watching some people in boot camp tomorrow. smile

[Q]

Elder


The Retanator

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:01 pm


I'll write you letters too, Q.
PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:48 pm



i did not expect this.

i vote navy, but that's probably just because the national guard commercials annoy me. xD

Tedie Behr


ks331084

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:27 am


You can't leave us Q.
You give the best advice.
emo
PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:13 pm


User ImageLOL Thanks ks.

OK, so a big story update for you guys!!

I woke up at 6am today to meet with my recruiter (Ironically - "Nations") at 6:50am, to go to dobbins Air force Base (really it's a base for all the armed forces) to watch National Guard peeps train.

I brought my dad, but that's no big detail.

So I went, and watched, and all I can say is it was boring. Imagine a big PE class on Physical testing day.
That was it.

Regardless, we stayed until 11:30am, at which time we broke for lunch/breakfast, because I didn't eat anything for breakfast. But it was almost lunchtime for the cadets(?), Privates? Iunno, 90% of them hadn't even been to basic yet.

Anyway, we broke for lunch/breakfast, while Nations did her hair(at some salon place - more info on that later). We were supposed to meet back up at 1pm to go watch more PT tests, or "the fun stuff" as Nations called it. Her version of fun and mine are already entirely different at this point.

We(my dad and I) went to waffle house, but we had a good hour and a half left so we went to the Navy recruiter before 1pm.
We talked about stuff, and it was about 12:40ish PM when Nations called me, while I was in the navy recruitment office, and she asked...

N(ations) : Are you still meeting up with me at 1?
Me: Why?
N: Because I didn't realize I wouldn't have enough time between then and to go to my wedding (she's a bridesmaid for her cousin, which is why she was getting her hair done) so I was just going to drop you off there so you could watch the PT.

I took my chance to get out of this and tried to argue out of going to the AFB again. She kept asking "What changed?" "What's wrong? You weren't talking like this before" and I kept saying nothing changed, and I told her I was bored and our definitons of fun were different. She says I could participate if that would be less boring, and me being in no physical condition to do so said I didn't want to do that, and that she should go to her wedding.

We argue for what seems like 10 minutes before she orders me to give my dad the phone, where she tries to convince him to convince me to still go to the AFB rolleyes
After this failed attempt, she hangs up, and I continue to talk to the Navy recruiter, and to get my set up to take the ASVAB (career test, basically) and get paperwork and such...

Not even 5 minutes rolls by before Nations calls me back and informs me that she told her cousin she wasn't going to the wedding because she had to show around a new recruit, and mercilessly tries to guilt me into going to the AFB again.

I told her that was a dumb decision and that I'm not going to go back to the AFB, we argue for 10 more minutes, I tell her to call her cousin back and go to the damn wedding because the stupid recruit changed his mind.
She preceeded to say "Oh I know you just don't want to go so I can go to the wedding and it's fine" and I said "It doesn't matter if you had a prior engadgement or not, I do not want to go back to the AFB for another 4 hours."

Needless to say that:
1.) She had to be lying, because who the ******** would cancel a wedding to watch PT for four hours with some guys he hardly knew and
2.) If for some reason she wasn't lying, she was 1 of 3 bridesmaids and that's just stupid to say you're not going to a wedding for some bullshit reason like this 7 hours before the wedding happens.

Nations is a very nice person and I'd love to have her as a friend; but because of this little escapade it makes me wonder if she's only nice to me because she wants me to add some fluff to her paycheck by joining.

SHE'S A DAMN PIRANHA.

I also left my driver's license at the Navy Reruiter's, but that wasn't as big of a deal. I have it back now.


I will probably take the ASVAB next week. Thinking thursday... Then we'll see what jobs I can apply for.

And for FURTHER PONDERING:
- Most navy people these days never get on a ship
- you get a sign up bonus for simply having a degree
- navy has the easiest basic training out of all the branches
- you can be a female expert marksman in the Navy, whereas in all other branches it is a male-only position
- in the navy, females never go to warzones (which could be a bad or good thing, depending).

[Q]

Elder


The Retanator

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:41 pm


People who haven't been to Basic yet but are enlisted are referred to as recruits, by the way. Cadets are ROTC members and they don't give out the rank of private or private first class or what have you until after they've graduated basic.
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