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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:30 pm
I noticed that whenever I talk to other African americans and i ask them what they are, they say "im just black". What the hell is that supposed to mean, Im black too!
I'm Haitian, But ive noticed AA's substitute black in for their ethnic group and they dont realize its a racial group, whenever people ask me if im black I always say no "Im Haitian" cause i dont want to be confused with being an AA even though I know Im black.
Just in case some people dont know, Black is a Race, Not an ethnic group, an ethnic group is a group of distinct people within a race. Haitians are Black, Jamaicans are black, Trini's are black, and most tribes in africa are black.
So claiming black as an ethnic group is wrong.
HMPH!!!!
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 pm
But...if what you're saying is correct, what exactly should black americans call themselves?? Some people don't say "African American" because it sounds like they are not "entirely" American, since they "have" to put that "African" in front. I personally think that saying "black" or "American" is fine; what about everyone else out there reading this?
Besides, what do black Germans call themselves? Certainly not "African Germans," or "black Germans," right? Wouldn't they either call themselves "black," or just "German"?
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:35 pm
(this may be a bit Controversial and if i offend anyone im deeply sorry)
I say that im black because thats what I am. Aside from my long ethnic decent, I have nothing to do with africa in any way shape or form. I live, work, pump my gas(unfortunatly) and go to school in America. And as a black person living America, I know that I prolly have ALOT of other races in me. for example, I prolly have white in me, because I know that alot of slave owners raped slaves. I Know that I have American Native in me, my great great great grandmother was 100% American Native, and so on and so forth. on a more moderate scale, then I'm sure I have alot of other african groups in me as well simply because black america its not regionally classified. for example not all nigerians live in kentucky and not all etheopians are from texas, and I at least know that my family moved from texas on my great grandmothers side. therefore claiming that I am any ethnic group such as jamacen, ugandan, and so forth would not only be incorrect, but missrepresenting , (this is all just my personal reason)
thats why when the rare event occures and someone asks me what ethnic group I come from, I say "american" and when someone asks me what ethnic group do my ansectors come from I say something differant everytime though
But power to you if you can trace your ethnic group.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:32 am
Perhaps so, but...since I cannot take a drop of blood or go through historical records to say I'm otherwise, I'd like to identify myself. Y'know, I looked at this thread and tried to find a way to answer without making myself look silly. I probably still but, I'm going to do my best to stress my point. If I can't call myself Black or African-American, what (aside from plain old American) can I call myself? It was my assumption (via media, books on the subject, and those who lived in the times--parents, family, etc) that calling oneself Black was a form of identification. A term to squash being called Colored, Negro, and the dreaded N word I shall not type. I am the only child of a man who had the absolute dishonor of being called a Negro on his birth certificate. Just as his mother, his father, and even his sister were. I was taught to identify myself as more than an American because I am just that. I am quite sure there's lots of other blood racing through my veins. My last name is Williams. (Willheim is the German version.) My mother's maiden name is Brown (French, I believe.) I have kin in Minnesota who have direct ties to Native Americans of the Blackfoot tribe. (Common claim, yes, but I actually have proof and pictures. wink ) My family has been fighting hard for years to build and connect our tree. It is hard. I call myself Black or African-American. The latter is more of a form of habit because they drilled that into my head as a child in school. I know I do not come from Africa directly. I know my people from long ago did, however. As M_Discharge beautifully (in my opinion) explained before me,
"I say that im black because thats what I am. Aside from my long ethnic decent, I have nothing to do with africa in any way shape or form. I live, work, pump my gas(unfortunatly) and go to school in America. And as a black person living America, I know that I prolly have ALOT of other races in me."
I am not trying to offend or piss anyone off. I'm sorry that it does bother you that people call themselves Black. I hardly every claim African-American because I was not born in Africa to become an American citizen. I was born in a hospital in the heart of Chicago.
But the question still stands. If I cannot claim Black as my ethnicity and only my race, what can I identify myself as? I am more than American. I am not 100% African. I exist in this world. I am a person. Label me.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:47 pm
So do you think just calling ourselves American or African-American would be best? This is a tough subject since everyone prefers different ways to refer to his or her ethnic background, and a lot of us don't know about our ancestors due to slavery. Sometimes I wish there was an easier way to refer to us without using a color we actually aren't/ xp
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:12 pm
So you know your black but you don't want to say it?
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:17 pm
Pretty Leaf So do you think just calling ourselves American or African-American would be best? This is a tough subject since everyone prefers different ways to refer to his or her ethnic background, and a lot of us don't know about our ancestors due to slavery. Sometimes I wish there was an easier way to refer to us without using a color we actually aren't/ xp To be fair, white people do the same to themselves. They're not actually white- they're this adorable pink color. ^o^ Or, if they spend too much time in the sun, leather. Anyway, to a more serious note. I believe claiming color as an ethnicity isn't necessarily wrong- just really vague. There are many origins of both white and black people and they're almost always listed under Ethnicity as "White (caucasion) or Black". I can't say I blame them for this, though, seeing as how it would make the paperwork a bit more difficult for those processing it to have to worry about the exact ethnicity of a person.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:50 pm
OMizukoO So you know your black but you don't want to say it? NOO........ I dont want to be confused with an African American. I am Black, that is my race, but my ethnic group is haitian. People always ask me if im black as in african american, and I have to say no, because i know what they mean. They mean to say african american, lets face it, when someone sees a black person in america, they assume they are african american which is why african americans have been able to hijack a whole race for their own ethnic group. I could say im black, but then i would have to give a long explanation on how im not an african american. I was born in Boston, But im haitian. Not an african american, and I am black, but due to technical difficulties, I just say im haitian.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:52 pm
Pretty Leaf So do you think just calling ourselves American or African-American would be best? This is a tough subject since everyone prefers different ways to refer to his or her ethnic background, and a lot of us don't know about our ancestors due to slavery. Sometimes I wish there was an easier way to refer to us without using a color we actually aren't/ xp I think finding an ethnic name would be better instead of using a racial category as an ethnic group. Lets face it, Nigerians are black, Sudanese are black, ethiopians are black, zimbabweans are black, ugandans are black. But they ARE NOT part of the African american ethnic group. We are all in the same racial group but not ethnic group. Thats why its unfair to claim a whole race as your own ethnic group. I personally detest being confused with African americans. I have my own ethnic group.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:01 pm
Holy Legna Pretty Leaf So do you think just calling ourselves American or African-American would be best? This is a tough subject since everyone prefers different ways to refer to his or her ethnic background, and a lot of us don't know about our ancestors due to slavery. Sometimes I wish there was an easier way to refer to us without using a color we actually aren't/ xp To be fair, white people do the same to themselves. They're not actually white- they're this adorable pink color. ^o^ Or, if they spend too much time in the sun, leather. Anyway, to a more serious note. I believe claiming color as an ethnicity isn't necessarily wrong- just really vague. There are many origins of both white and black people and they're almost always listed under Ethnicity as "White (caucasion) or Black". I can't say I blame them for this, though, seeing as how it would make the paperwork a bit more difficult for those processing it to have to worry about the exact ethnicity of a person. Only in america and europe are people listed under one color. In Africa and other places, they actually list the different ethnic groups. In south africa, they list the xhosa, zulu, san bushman, etc ethnic groups, in nigeria they list the fula, igbo, hausa, yoruba etc. They all know they are black , but at least they dont claim a whole color as their own.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:40 pm
Arias Delmar Holy Legna Pretty Leaf So do you think just calling ourselves American or African-American would be best? This is a tough subject since everyone prefers different ways to refer to his or her ethnic background, and a lot of us don't know about our ancestors due to slavery. Sometimes I wish there was an easier way to refer to us without using a color we actually aren't/ xp To be fair, white people do the same to themselves. They're not actually white- they're this adorable pink color. ^o^ Or, if they spend too much time in the sun, leather. Anyway, to a more serious note. I believe claiming color as an ethnicity isn't necessarily wrong- just really vague. There are many origins of both white and black people and they're almost always listed under Ethnicity as "White (caucasion) or Black". I can't say I blame them for this, though, seeing as how it would make the paperwork a bit more difficult for those processing it to have to worry about the exact ethnicity of a person. Only in america and europe are people listed under one color. In Africa and other places, they actually list the different ethnic groups. In south africa, they list the xhosa, zulu, san bushman, etc ethnic groups, in nigeria they list the fula, igbo, hausa, yoruba etc. They all know they are black , but at least they dont claim a whole color as their own. How is that relevant? Sure no one's just black, white, Asian, or Hispanic- but I'm not really sure how your response is important to my post. Besides, it's different to classify black people in Africa. How many African-Americans today actually know the exact heritage they have? As such, I can only classify myself as "black"- as can many others like me. Maybe if we lived in Africa and knew our exact origins it would be different. However, I doubt 90% of /any/ people today could really classify their roots in America or Europe. As such, I can live with the classification of being "black". Truth be told, even if I knew my exact heritage, I'm not sure I would care enough to make a big deal over it. There are more important things in life, after all.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:33 am
Arias Delmar I was born in Boston, But im haitian. Not an african american, and I am black, but due to technical difficulties, I just say im haitian. so just call yourself hatian-american. wouldn't that clear things up better when having to explain yourself?
i think african-americans (those of us who know they come from american slavery, not a specific african nation) choose to identify with 'black' cos it's better than being called 'colored' or 'negro'. plus, it's shorter than having to say 'african-american' all the time. america has to put a label on everybody, you choose which is the least offensive...
i've also heard that black people in england call themselves 'black british', even if they are from different parts of the world.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:38 pm
Arias Delmar I noticed that whenever I talk to other African americans and i ask them what they are, they say "im just black". What the hell is that supposed to mean, Im black too! Maybe because they don't know their ethnic background. When some people ask what someone is, they're looking for information to explain how they look--either their hair, skin color, or to explain the way they dress. In the past some people really wanted to be thought of as exotic, so people will gladly say that I'm 1/4 this or 1/8 that to offset the black factor. Sometimes, it's true. Having this or this in your blood is how you explain having long hair or having light eyes. As if a full black person, can't have those features. They have to be mixed or be from another country. Some people still believe that myth. Even now my dad says that his grandmother is part Indian and that's why she has good hair and that she looks Cherokee or something like that. Saying that "you're just black" is kind of the anti-thesis of that. Sometimes, it's a statement to say how proud you are of being black.
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:42 pm
Holy Legna Arias Delmar Holy Legna Pretty Leaf So do you think just calling ourselves American or African-American would be best? This is a tough subject since everyone prefers different ways to refer to his or her ethnic background, and a lot of us don't know about our ancestors due to slavery. Sometimes I wish there was an easier way to refer to us without using a color we actually aren't/ xp To be fair, white people do the same to themselves. They're not actually white- they're this adorable pink color. ^o^ Or, if they spend too much time in the sun, leather. Anyway, to a more serious note. I believe claiming color as an ethnicity isn't necessarily wrong- just really vague. There are many origins of both white and black people and they're almost always listed under Ethnicity as "White (caucasion) or Black". I can't say I blame them for this, though, seeing as how it would make the paperwork a bit more difficult for those processing it to have to worry about the exact ethnicity of a person. Only in america and europe are people listed under one color. In Africa and other places, they actually list the different ethnic groups. In south africa, they list the xhosa, zulu, san bushman, etc ethnic groups, in nigeria they list the fula, igbo, hausa, yoruba etc. They all know they are black , but at least they dont claim a whole color as their own. How is that relevant ? Sure no one's just black, white, Asian, or Hispanic- but I'm not really sure how your response is important to my post. Besides, it's different to classify black people in Africa. How many African-Americans today actually know the exact heritage they have?
As such, I can only classify myself as "black"- as can many others like me. Maybe if we lived in Africa and knew our exact origins it would be different. However, I doubt 90% of /any/ people today could really classify their roots in America or Europe. As such, I can live with the classification of being "black". Truth be told, even if I knew my exact heritage, I'm not sure I would care enough to make a big deal over it. There are more important things in life, after all. I concur And the reason for America catagorizing by color is because America's most likley one of the most diverse countries in terms of ethnic background and ancesstory. the history even shows it. in the european side, you have british, french, italian, dutch, german, and so on, that have all moved from their contries one way or an other.. the same thing goes for the african countries, with the exeption that there was a large portion of africans that where here against there will. not to mention the asians mexicans and every other group that has immigrated from there country, I'm sure its evident that America's very diverse; in contrast to other countries like chile or norway. So therefore, due to the extreme diversity, there are BOUND to be interracial relationships and thus diversifying your background. it is every hard to say "oh im 96 percent german." of course they're are those who can, but there is a bigger number for those who cannot. the same goes for blacks, mexicans, asians and so on. of course this is just my belief, but I think what it all comes down to is that we're all American (i acknowledge that this is an international website and I apologize if I have excluded anyone). of course we all come from a different background. but we are all here in the foreground. just about everything Americans do is for America, from paying taxes, buy goods, raise children in america. And while I know "american" isn't an ethnic group in one perspective, it's certainly differant to say that our irish and that your irish american.
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:25 pm
bubblegrrl2000 Arias Delmar I noticed that whenever I talk to other African americans and i ask them what they are, they say "im just black". What the hell is that supposed to mean, Im black too! Maybe because they don't know their ethnic background. When some people ask what someone is, they're looking for information to explain how they look--either their hair, skin color, or to explain the way they dress. In the past some people really wanted to be thought of as exotic, so people will gladly say that I'm 1/4 this or 1/8 that to offset the black factor. Sometimes, it's true. Having this or this in your blood is how you explain having long hair or having light eyes. As if a full black person, can't have those features. They have to be mixed or be from another country. Some people still believe that myth. Even now my dad says that his grandmother is part Indian and that's why she has good hair and that she looks Cherokee or something like that. Saying that "you're just black" is kind of the anti-thesis of that. Sometimes, it's a statement to say how proud you are of being black. Im Haitian, My ancestors come from africa too!! but we still dont know which tribes, BUT somehow, we found a way to name ourselves without monopolizing a whole color or race for ourselves....
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