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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:55 pm
Why of why did we ever abandon this method of learning!?!
Medieval learning began with what was known as the Trivium; first taught was grammar ("the art of inventing symbols and combining them to express thought"), then came logic ("the art of thinking"), and then rhetoric ("the art of communicating thought from one mind to another, the adaptation of language to circumstance"). Then when that foundation was in place, you got the Quadrivium; arithmetic ("the discrete at rest"), astronomy ("the discrete in motion"), geometry ("the continuous at rest"), and music ("the continuous in motion").
This setup is fan-freaking-tastic! Not only did it encourage a wide range of learning, but it also standardized the way people thought about the subjects being taught. Standardizing such thinking makes it easier to communicate the ideas being taught and debated.
These days, there are only a few people who have any teaching in classical logic and it's a shame because logic has really only changed a limited amount. Really the only change is acceptance of theorems based on induction. The rest is more or less the same.
The quadrivium was taught through rhetoric. Rhetoric communicated through logic. Logic was built upon grammar.
An elegant system indeed.
Berz.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:18 pm
Hey Berz! nice topic. I don't have much time right now but I'll come back and edit my post once I know a bit more about the subject as well, ok? Thanks!
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:07 pm
It almost seems that in attempts to streamline and diversify education and make it more customizable for different learning styles it was made to be more of a jumbled mess.
I would like to state how neat this topic is and how saddened I am I didn't find it sooner.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:25 am
I've been reading about it a bit as I read the writings of medieval composer/prophetic writer Hildegard von Bringen. Some brilliant stuff that, though I want to read more about it before putting too much input in this discussion. It must be said that there are a lot of teaching methods from earlier times that have sadly been lost. I'd love to learn more about early Persian acedemics for one.
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:45 pm
You know, I may not know why the method was abandoned but it sure is intriguing... 3nodding
Sometimes I think that if there were more teachers who actually enjoyed teaching and made things easy to understand, we would all be better off.
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:43 pm
Perhaps the way of teaching was abandoned was due to the influence of the Renaissance and the new age of thinking. So many ideas spawned and old teaching ways were put down because they only taught just so much and about things being looked down upon by scholars and inventors as the years past.
It would be nice if those ways of thinking was still around, but unfortunately it's not. I just wish people would teach better....
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B-rad the Vampiric Shadow
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:51 pm
i actually had a teacher this past year who loved teaching history. I had him for Ancient World and Medieval World History. He got so into detail with it, it was simply astounding. He added so many little stories here and there, that it made you want to go back and live in that time period.
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:53 pm
We hardly learned anything in history... One area was always thrown at us just before another subject came about. I wanted to learn more about World History, not American History! :XP:
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B-rad the Vampiric Shadow
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:57 pm
This teacher dug so much into detail about what ever civilization we were learning about, whether it be Greeks, Chinese, Viking, and so many more!
I just want to go back in time and explore them all! they are soooo much more fascinating than American History!
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:59 pm
I wanted to learn more about so much of ancient, medieval, and other worldly cultures and civilizations I barely paid attention to what they gave us in American. Such a boring subject.
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B-rad the Vampiric Shadow
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:10 pm
Yes it is. except when you teachers that make it fun. I had Mr. Wolk in 7th grade and Mr. Stroud in 8th. They literally stuck the information into your head to where you wouldn't forget it. but they made it fun. they also taught me little things, here and there about us history, that you probably would never of thought of.
anyway, i'm taking summer school here in a few days and guess what i have??
US History, bummer. but since i had those teachers, i think i'll do pretty good in the class, hopefully.
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:03 pm
See, fun is the key to learning SO much more than listening to people talk for hours and sticking your head in a boring textbook. I wish I could have always learned like that....
Yeah, US History was boring. How I received a 93/100 on a special state given exam about it is beyond me... Same thing with that 92 on the state English exam. confused
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B-rad the Vampiric Shadow
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:19 pm
If what we were taught was taught in a fun way, we'd be more inclined to listen and learn.
Usually tests on history arent that bad, most of time anyway.....
I hope i don't have to take the english exam, i hate that subject!
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:35 pm
One theory on why the Trivium and Quadrivium were phased out during the Renaissance was the advent of the printing press. Before that, when books were all copied by hand and cost their weight in gold to own, the information contained in them had to be presented in a way that was easy to remember and memorize. Having a standardized way of thinking and learning helped to facilitate that.
If you look at the writings of Fiore dei Liberi, a master of the arts martial in the 1400s, for example, everything is written in verse and the exchanges are treated like an argument. The verse helps to commit the passages to memory and the arguments help the reader to think about what is contained therein.
After the printing press, though, books came down in price and it was far more common for people to own them. There was no longer a need to commit a book's contents to memory, since you could just go back to the book and look it up if you needed to.
It kind of makes me wonder if we have actually unlearned how to learn things. If we're constantly looking things up, have we actually learned those things?
Berz.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:47 pm
I totally get what you mean Berz. I seem to be forgetting how to use the keyboard cuz sometimes I make the stupidiest mistakes, see? rolleyes
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