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 Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:02 pm
Ok so heres the deal. There is this family at our church that are always telling people that they are sinners because of some of the things they do. They one time told a friend of mine that he was a sinner because he likes to dance. Can any of you think of something I could say that is nice but gets the point across? We have already talk to the paster but they still don't listen. Please help and pray for us!
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:53 pm
My church(Pentacostal) also believes that dancing is sinful, although I sort of disagree. According to the nice folks at my church, dancing is exposing your body. Now, I can understand that point if you have some half-naked person dirty dancing or dancing in some other sexual manner, but not if you're hip hop dancing, ballroom dancing, tap dancing, etc.
Does that help??
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:31 pm
David danced (and naked I might add) in worship of the Lord. He was a sinner too. I'm a sinner, but I don't dance. You're a sinner, those people are sinners. I'm starting to see a pattern here, oh wait, we're all sinners according to the Word of God.
We all fall short, right? Only Jesus was perfect. Then of course we killed him. He has risen though. He died for all sinners, even those people in your church that are doing that.
Now, that's not to say we can't judge those inside the church. We are expected to really, out of love. But it must be something that's an actual sin, and the rebuker should be right with God.
The church is for non-believers as much as it is for believers. They need Christ as much as we do. However, when people start pointing fingers when it is uncalled for, it drives people away. This hurts their witness and also hinders their relationship with God.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:50 am
Xiterrose David danced (and naked I might add) in worship of the Lord. He was a sinner too. I'm a sinner, but I don't dance. You're a sinner, those people are sinners. I'm starting to see a pattern here, oh wait, we're all sinners according to the Word of God. We all fall short, right? Only Jesus was perfect. Then of course we killed him. He has risen though. He died for all sinners, even those people in your church that are doing that. Now, that's not to say we can't judge those inside the church. We are expected to really, out of love. But it must be something that's an actual sin, and the rebuker should be right with God. The church is for non-believers as much as it is for believers. They need Christ as much as we do. However, when people start pointing fingers when it is uncalled for, it drives people away. This hurts their witness and also hinders their relationship with God. They DO drive people away! There is this one guy that is already mad at God becuase his dad died and this family made him want to come even less. But when it comes to judging WE have no right to judge people. God is the only one that does. My family doesn't do dirty dancing or anything like that. Nothing that my family does involves immodist clothes or anything like that. They told a friend that he is a sinner because he dances.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:51 am
Conan The Barbie Doll My church(Pentacostal) also believes that dancing is sinful, although I sort of disagree. According to the nice folks at my church, dancing is exposing your body. Now, I can understand that point if you have some half-naked person dirty dancing or dancing in some other sexual manner, but not if you're hip hop dancing, ballroom dancing, tap dancing, etc.
Does that help?? No one that we know does any type of bad dancing.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:50 pm
"So are you. What's your point?"
So it's not exactly nice, buit it's not exactly mean, either. It is simply the truth.
Or there's quite a few Bible verses you could have handy that'll shut 'em up real quick. Like "Judge not lest ye be judged" or the one about getting the plank out of your own eye before removing the needle from your neighbors.
A bit short on time so I can't look 'em up right now, but I'm sure you'll be able to find them wink
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 11:18 pm
I really can't see how dancing is sinful if you're dancing in a clean manner. I goof with my friends and dance like we're back in the disco days. Now, if the dancing is the caliber of those seen in those pathetic rap videos, then I could see the problem but other than that, I don't see how it could be a sin. Dancing, like any other art form, is a way to express yourself and your emotions. Now, I'm not saying that's an excuse to dress bare and "dance" and say it's ok because it's "art". I'm saying, I've seen dancing used as a powerful way to express a message and emotions.
And does it say somewhere in the Bible we're not supposed to dance? Because if there is, I'd really love to see it.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:06 pm
CYTgirl5000 Conan The Barbie Doll My church(Pentacostal) also believes that dancing is sinful, although I sort of disagree. According to the nice folks at my church, dancing is exposing your body. Now, I can understand that point if you have some half-naked person dirty dancing or dancing in some other sexual manner, but not if you're hip hop dancing, ballroom dancing, tap dancing, etc.
Does that help?? No one that we know does any type of bad dancing.
For example- My church believes that gays are evil, and shouild go to hell. I don't, and I have my reasons for it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is it all depends on your own personal viwe of it....
Am I making sense? sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:41 pm
Please read 1 Corinthians 5, specifically verses 12-13 (all of it for entire context). Yes, we, as believers, ARE to judge those inside the church, but not those outside. God will judge those outside.
I'm not saying that if you're not right with God, you should be judging. We all should be looking at our own sins, admitting them, and repenting. God has freed us from our old sin nature, we are no longer slaves to sin. We are slaves to Christ. If you do repent and are right with God, then yes, you should be rebuking other believers out of love.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:11 pm
Just be aware that there is a difference between rebuking and judging. :S
We are not to judge ANYONE. Not even other belivers, not even ourselves. Even if we are right with God. And actually, those of us who are right with God know that we are in no place to judge. If you think you are, you are the last person who should be.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:26 pm
Have you read the verses? We are to judge inside the church.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:42 pm
"For what have I to do with judging those who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore put away from yourselves the evil person" Er..King James version.
Fair enough, though, I think you might be twisting this. I mean, does this also mean that God does not judge those who are 'inside'? It especially may take on a new meaning in light of the following. These were what I was thinking of when I posted before:
Psalm 9:7-8, and verse 19 is good to. "Arise O Lord, do not let men prevail. Let the nations be judged in your sight.
And my favorite, Luke 6:37-42
I'm not saying we shouldn't say something if we think that someone within the church is behaving wrongly. But it must be done in a non-judgmental manner as judgment is God's territory. Ooo! that brings to mind another good one, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". This applies to metaphorical stones as well as the physical stones the crowd said the woman should suffer.
As I said, there is a difference between rebukiing and judging and we need to make sure we are not doing the latter.
Eh...now that I'm thinking about it, this might be getting a bit off topic, too...
sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:16 am
DSlayerLS I really can't see how dancing is sinful if you're dancing in a clean manner. I goof with my friends and dance like we're back in the disco days. Now, if the dancing is the caliber of those seen in those pathetic rap videos, then I could see the problem but other than that, I don't see how it could be a sin. Dancing, like any other art form, is a way to express yourself and your emotions. Now, I'm not saying that's an excuse to dress bare and "dance" and say it's ok because it's "art". I'm saying, I've seen dancing used as a powerful way to express a message and emotions. And does it say somewhere in the Bible we're not supposed to dance? Because if there is, I'd really love to see it. I have some friends that have done this mime things that has dancing but it has a Bible story with it. (Like Creation.) Are they going to tell us that spredding the Word of God threw dance is a sin?
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:24 am
Xiterrose Please read 1 Corinthians 5, specifically verses 12-13 (all of it for entire context). Yes, we, as believers, ARE to judge those inside the church, but not those outside. God will judge those outside. I'm not saying that if you're not right with God, you should be judging. We all should be looking at our own sins, admitting them, and repenting. God has freed us from our old sin nature, we are no longer slaves to sin. We are slaves to Christ. If you do repent and are right with God, then yes, you should be rebuking other believers out of love. Who are WE to judge? I can understand someone saying "Hey I have been thinking and I really feel that you might want to work on this." But I don't think that God wants us to judge each other. I think that He wants us to help each other grow in Christ but not say "Hey you're sinnful" we don't have the right because we are still sinners and will always be until we go to Heaven.
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