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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:10 am
This may be a simplistic question, with what seems an obvious answer, but when it comes to firearms, there doesn't really seem to be a specific era for general reference when it comes to Steampunk. I understand that Steampunk is (generically) set in an Industrial Revolution/Victorian setting, and therefore ideally, seems to be placed at around the American Civil War. But Victoria had a long reign, and, for example, the British Army went from using Muzzle Loading black powder weapons, to the esteemed bolt action Lee Enfield .303 rifle. Similarly, the beginning and end of the Industrial Revolution are vague, and even incompatible with the preconception of a Victorian setting*! I only ask out of curiosity, to see what the consensus seems to be. Perhaps I am more of a Dieselpunk at heart, as my passion for early aviation and pilots seems to overshadow my love of Steam and black powder. Nevertheless, I would contend most directly that WWI itself has a very distinct Steampunk flavor to it! Regardless, I put the question to you ladies and gentlemen for your musing.
*that is if we use the dates of the industrial revolution as a vague 'Late Eighteenth- Early Nineteenth setting' and Queen Victoria ascending to the throne in 1819.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:39 am
Most of the steampunked-up prop weapons I see on various forums, Etsy, Instructables, etc, seem to be based pretty strongly off of either pre-victorian weapons like flintlock pistols, or 1950s toy ray guns. Kind of interesting, that as far as weaponry goes the genre tends to skip over the age of steam altogether. xd
WARNING: TL;DR HISTORY DORK RAMBLING BELOW!!!
I agree with WWI having a somewhat steampunk feel... after all, the difference in tactics and technology levels between sides, and even between different units of a country's army, was extremely vast. Cavalry charges alongside (or tragically often, into) machine gun fire, modern artillery pulled by draft animals, brightly-colored & heavily decorated military uniforms making way for the functionally utilitarian uniforms of the modern army, soldiers who had never seen telephone poles before cutting down their own communication lines for firewood. So visually, I believe there's a lot of steampunk inspiration to be pulled from WWI.
In another sense, WWI marked the end of the 19th-century mindset in many ways... the beginning of the end for colonialism, the fall in power & status of the European aristocracy, the rise of the US as a significant power, the creation of the USSR, etc etc etc. Basically, the violent end of that Victorian attitude that pervades the steampunk genre- "The world is ours for the taking, because we're just so amazingly clever."
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:34 am
Radetzky March Most of the steampunked-up prop weapons I see on various forums, Etsy, Instructables, etc, seem to be based pretty strongly off of either pre-victorian weapons like flintlock pistols, or 1950s toy ray guns. Kind of interesting, that as far as weaponry goes the genre tends to skip over the age of steam altogether. xd WARNING: TL;DR HISTORY DORK RAMBLING BELOW!!! I agree with WWI having a somewhat steampunk feel... after all, the difference in tactics and technology levels between sides, and even between different units of a country's army, was extremely vast. Cavalry charges alongside (or tragically often, into) machine gun fire, modern artillery pulled by draft animals, brightly-colored & heavily decorated military uniforms making way for the functionally utilitarian uniforms of the modern army, soldiers who had never seen telephone poles before cutting down their own communication lines for firewood. So visually, I believe there's a lot of steampunk inspiration to be pulled from WWI. In another sense, WWI marked the end of the 19th-century mindset in many ways... the beginning of the end for colonialism, the fall in power & status of the European aristocracy, the rise of the US as a significant power, the creation of the USSR, etc etc etc. Basically, the violent end of that Victorian attitude that pervades the steampunk genre- "The world is ours for the taking, because we're just so amazingly clever." Whole heartedly agreed madame! I also see something in the ideal: the Aristocratic Officers struggling with the grim reality of Imperialism and Trench Warfare, but most of all, I find the Air War fascinating (it has been a long time obsession of mine). The Pilots, for whom the life expectancy could be 3 missions or 20 minutes in battle, in aircraft composed of Canvas, wood, and engine, doing battle with equally flimsy crafted pilots, yet still retaining a certain chivalry, strikes me as another pillar of Steampunk: retaining ones values in the face of death, risking life and limb in dangerous-at-best-contraptions, in dangerous-at-best-situations. Subsequently, the destruction of war, the naked industrialization, and grit in European cities as a result of war. One can almost imagine fleets of Airships and Dirigibles going into battle along with the Fighter Pilots in the air, above the trenches below. Also, I cannot explain it, but the Bolt action rifle, and weaponry of WWI intrigues me greatly. ninja
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:34 am
If you look into private weaponry and not just warfare, it was a trend in the era to put single-shot firearms into other innocuous items. Umbrellas and canes were popular, for example, to modify into firearms. I can only imagine to what lengths steampunk would take this trend.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:04 pm
Mylian If you look into private weaponry and not just warfare, it was a trend in the era to put single-shot firearms into other innocuous items. Umbrellas and canes were popular, for example, to modify into firearms. I can only imagine to what lengths steampunk would take this trend. *thinks* burning_eyes
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:03 am
The whole ray-gun thing sometimes used is a bit irksome.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:43 pm
I'd think it's more of a style thing. The flintlock pistol fits steampunk mainly because of the wooden construction. You could theoretically install a revolver into the firing section and it wouldn't lose it's feel. Even a clip.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:46 pm
I seem to recall that they had express rifles during the Victorian period. I'm quite fond of them...
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:11 pm
NekoSigma I'd think it's more of a style thing. The flintlock pistol fits steampunk mainly because of the wooden construction. You could theoretically install a revolver into the firing section and it wouldn't lose it's feel. Even a clip. Now that is a nice idea...
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:01 pm
Imber NekoSigma I'd think it's more of a style thing. The flintlock pistol fits steampunk mainly because of the wooden construction. You could theoretically install a revolver into the firing section and it wouldn't lose it's feel. Even a clip. Now that is a nice idea... idea That is indeed something to consider. Maybe the real question of Steampunk and firearms is the relationship technology would have on society in a steampunk world...
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:33 pm
If you want to take your steampunkishness in a different direction you can always look to the American West for inspiration. Think of the movie "Wild Wild West." I much prefer Western steampunk(as in American) to Victorian steampunk(by this I mean English). Yes I know Victorian style and culture was "in" in America as well, please don't give me a history lesson. But think about cowboys and the state of the West during gold rush era/steam engine. Lever action rifles, six-shooters and that sort of thing.
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:38 pm
Xtopher If you want to take your steampunkishness in a different direction you can always look to the American West for inspiration. Think of the movie "Wild Wild West." I much prefer Western steampunk(as in American) to Victorian steampunk(by this I mean English). Yes I know Victorian style and culture was "in" in America as well, please don't give me a history lesson. But think about cowboys and the state of the West during gold rush era/steam engine. Lever action rifles, six-shooters and that sort of thing. If I may be so bold as to speak in Modern, lever action anything is the sex. o_o And you know, I never really thought about it before. American Steam could be an interesting avenue to look into.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:36 pm
Xtopher If you want to take your steampunkishness in a different direction you can always look to the American West for inspiration. Think of the movie "Wild Wild West." I much prefer Western steampunk(as in American) to Victorian steampunk(by this I mean English). Yes I know Victorian style and culture was "in" in America as well, please don't give me a history lesson. But think about cowboys and the state of the West during gold rush era/steam engine. Lever action rifles, six-shooters and that sort of thing. I would tend to agree upon that. Than again, it would be good to remember that the 'Golden Years' of the American Wild West coincided with Queen Victoria's rule. But that is an important point to make, that there are two lenses through which we can perceive Steampunk, and even potential for two different strains: one being the very elegant, but dark European Steampunk, with Marxist overtones (at least through my perceptions). The other being the dangerous, controversial American brand of Steampunk, which could involve the Civil War, the ethnic diversity of America and the diversity springing from that, both good and bad. After all America had no Revolutions of 1848, but they did/do have a long history of civil conflict along racial lines as a precursor to class conflict, whereas Europe remained divided along traditional rigid Class-ist lines. This is just me ranting, as I do not claim to profess any deep knowledge of modern history, and should it be disputed by one more knowledgeable on the subject, I shall take no offense. What I do wish to infer, is the over riding ideology that unifies both European and American steampunk. Whether it is the American Union or Confederate soldier fighting because of an abstract concept of eliminating slavery or, on the confederate side, individual rights in the face of an overbearing central government. Or the European factory worker who hears the call of change through socialism, or the mad scientist driven by a desire to assist humanity, pushing the boundaries of science, perhaps a little bit too far into the unknown realms. Annnd... this seems to have had NOTHING to do with what we were talking about... ninja
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:46 am
I must admit I find the idea of a gauss rifle as something very steampunk. They'd look excellent with an exterior constructed of wood, and interior of brass piping, and a slug propelled forward by electromagnetic force.
It's all very 1800s science. The onyl problem is that the only working models lack a punch and need circuitboards and computer chips to charge and work.
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:11 pm
Elliot Vidal NekoSigma I'd think it's more of a style thing. The flintlock pistol fits steampunk mainly because of the wooden construction. You could theoretically install a revolver into the firing section and it wouldn't lose it's feel. Even a clip. Now that is a nice idea... or a revolving flintlock. http://www.maihaugen.no/en/Top-menu/Knowledge/Collections/Historical-object-collection/Weapons-collections/ @Sidnay: dude, the first steampunk ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_of_Alexandria So... by that logic steampunk worlds and history start at... The Roman Empire? Ow. I think I blew a gasket.
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