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Starlock
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:24 am


Goodstein, Laurie. Teaching of Creationism is Endorsed in New Survey

Whenever I see surveys, I often notice how easy it is to distort their findings and not ask the right questions as to why the results came out as they did. Such was the case with this survey, which was a bit of a surprise as the NYT is usually pretty good about that kind of thing. But before I go off on a rant, let's see if any of the rest of you figure out what about this survey bothers me. There's a very obvious question about the participants of the survey that they failed to address, and thus the results of the entire survey are called into question as to their meaning.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:19 pm


I smell something fishy here, and can't place it....

anyway, the only thing (other then the fishy smell) wierd is how they start of with evolution/createsionism/"teach-the-controversy" style article (and surveys), but by the end, they've gone into gays in the military. Odd, no?

Liberi Glacialis

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Acidrica

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:42 pm


I swear, if they forget the principle of the seperation of church and state then I''m running to Canada. stare
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:51 pm


Starlock
Goodstein, Laurie. Teaching of Creationism is Endorsed in New Survey

Whenever I see surveys, I often notice how easy it is to distort their findings and not ask the right questions as to why the results came out as they did. Such was the case with this survey, which was a bit of a surprise as the NYT is usually pretty good about that kind of thing. But before I go off on a rant, let''s see if any of the rest of you figure out what about this survey bothers me. There''s a very obvious question about the participants of the survey that they failed to address, and thus the results of the entire survey are called into question as to their meaning.


"What about the survey bothers you..." that it is an article implying a poll about a religious topic to a supposedly random and varied group of participants, yet it was held exclusively on something called the "Pew forum?"

NoSuchCreature


Starlock
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:32 am


(nods) The huge oversight of this entire survey is that they did not compare religious beliefs. Far as we can tell from the article, they didn't even ask for the person's religious background when asking this question. All these survey results say to me, is:

1) The majority of Americans are Christian
2) Therefore it's no surprise the results show the 'majority' of Americans support teaching Creationism in schools
3) Christianity in general is in favor of imposing its doctrine (and religion) on to others, so therefore it's also not a surprise that the 'majority' wish to do so. That doesn't make it right.

What I can't understand, is why people can't talk about having a religious diversity class instead, giving equal time to ten different faiths (with only ONE of the ten being all forms of Christianity). Religious tolerance starts with teaching kids about different religions. I have no problem with teaching that Christians and other religions believe in creationism; the problem comes with putting it in science class where it dosen't belong. But since the dominant religion in this country thinks it's the 'one true faith' it sure isn't going to support what should be the real solution here: teaching religious diversity. Ah well. I'll be sure to teach my kids about different religions if I have them. I know the school won't do it. xp
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:34 am


There is a major problem with teaching creationism in schools. Down around the south and bible belt, it would be alright, since most kids are born and raised Christians anyway. But around the northern parts of the US, like NY, CO, CA, etc...Christianity is only half the religions the other half is non-christian religions, and in some places Christianity is the minority. It wouldn't fly very well, if they taught one idea, they'd have to teach all ideas.

But you have to remember, forcing something down on someone, only causes rebellion and dislike towards the subject. That's why paganism is rising so sharply now a days, it isn't forced onto kids and it doesn't require strict obligations to follow correctly, which is what most people need. Who wants a high maintanance god?

Tigress Dawn

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NoSuchCreature

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:09 pm


The thing is, science is the study of the world around us by learning to create hypotheses that can be tested. Evolution is very capable of being proven possible, because we obviously have the ability to study generations of animal and plant growth, and observe any changes from the parent to child, and archaeological research is always being held to learn more about species of the past.

Creationism, while a very valid theory, cannot be tested. It can be assumed to have evidence via the bible, but that evidence cannot go through an experiment and reach a supporting result repetitively, as we have no reliable means of going back in time to see the universe in its earliest days, much less show this in a classroom.

Until creationism even has a way to attempt to draw itself as the only possible concluded source of life, it is of no concern to the scientific world. There should be a social studies elective on Theology if they really want this popularity contest of a creation myth taught, but even then it shouldn't get any more emphasis than Ymir, Tiamat/Apsu, Izanami/Izanagi, or any other cultural beliefs, and finally be seen as equal to other such legends.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:36 pm


I like what Sucellus just said. Creationism is not a Science. It has no place to be taught in a science class. If anything it should be in a theology class but not everyone would be so openminded to that. Many want creationism to be taught to be the only valid thought, against evolution. I always considered anything religion an art. Art and science can be difficult to combine. It kinda gives me a headache razz The Weekly had a good article not long ago on the debate. I might try and find it again.

Henbane

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