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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:16 pm
I'm a fresh man in high school, and so, I have to take sex ed. Currently, we're learning about the development of the fetus in the womb.
So my teacher was talking about how the baby looks and goes "...At this point, it's very sad, because you can tell its a baby by how it looks, it has a beating heart, and its alive, and people still get abortions at this stage." And when on to say something like how its sad that someone gets abortions at any stage of the pregnancy.
There was nothing about it in the book (which, fyi, are from the eighties; pathetic, eh?), and there was nothing about it on the movie we watched with it, but she had to mention about how sad it is.
And while we were learning about teen pregnancy she said "If you ever get pregnant girls, try your hardest not to get an abortion. That should be the last, option, or no option at all." x.x;; Christ almighty...
Opinions? D:
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:38 pm
Bah, I dislike Health class when you hit that area. Luckily I'm still on Health and nutrition, and I'm enjoying it while I can. I like the teacher, he's not stupid or anything, but he's a die-hard Christian (I've heard passing remarks about Evolution and how christians are "opressed") and I know he's going to go off on that unit. Luckily most people don't pay attention enough to catch the stabs at abortion, so he might end up preaching to the walls.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:41 pm
I would argue something like that in a friendly way so I wouldn't get in trouble. It's ridiculous, however, that people are so retarded. Your opinions are just that, opinions, in a class room. They should remain in your mind.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:43 pm
She should not be bringing her personal beliefs into class at all, let alone influencing her students with these beliefs. Isn't there some kind of rule about that? Or is it just a thing my teachers do out of respect? My "health" teacher invited a teenage mother in to talk to us and she made it seem like it was a game.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:19 pm
I would have freaked out on her, I have so little patience for when teachers bring their own personal beliefs into things, since I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to where I am.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:10 pm
Honestly, I lost all faith in most sex education in seventh grade when all they talked about was heterosexual, PIV sex. Even the comprehensive kind taught in my city didn't have anything about homosexual sex. Sure, I learned how to have safe sex if I were to ever date a pre-op/non-op transwoman, but there was nothing about how to have safe lesbian sex. As for your teacher, you should report her to administrators. Teachers aren't supposed to inject their opinions into a lecture based around the facts, at the very least without clarifying, "This is my opinion and by no means a part of the lesson". 20 Shades of Crazy There was nothing about it in the book (which, fyi, are from the eighties; pathetic, eh?) Ha ha. I tested out of health and the textbook we used to study for the test had two paragraphs about homosexuals and talked about us like we were aliens. It was hilarious. Health classes are the places to find extremely outdated textbooks, which is incredibly ironic because, of all the textbooks you would have in a school, those should be the ones that are updated (and therefore replaced) the most.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:42 pm
[Ernie] Honestly, I lost all faith in most sex education in seventh grade when all they talked about was heterosexual, PIV sex. Even the comprehensive kind taught in my city didn't have anything about homosexual sex. Sure, I learned how to have safe sex if I were to ever date a pre-op/non-op transwoman, but there was nothing about how to have safe lesbian sex. As for your teacher, you should report her to administrators. Teachers aren't supposed to inject their opinions into a lecture based around the facts, at the very least without clarifying, "This is my opinion and by no means a part of the lesson". 20 Shades of Crazy There was nothing about it in the book (which, fyi, are from the eighties; pathetic, eh?) Ha ha. I tested out of health and the textbook we used to study for the test had two paragraphs about homosexuals and talked about us like we were aliens. It was hilarious. Health classes are the places to find extremely outdated textbooks, which is incredibly ironic because, of all the textbooks you would have in a school, those should be the ones that are updated (and therefore replaced) the most. You are an alien. God forbid a human has human feelings towards a - le gasp! - human being! That's is disgusting, you homosexual, I hope God sends you to hell for loving someone else. talk2hand mad (I kid, I totally kid. <3 ) I live in the south, though, Buckle of the Bible Belt, and so they have to make everything conservative as can be (Like, the Soldier King's gay son ran away with his male lover ((who was later executed in front of him, slowly)) and in our history book it said he ran away with his "friend", as though hearing about a gay person would kill us all), so of course we aren't going to learn anything but "If you have sex before marriage, then your p***s will fall off and be sold by Nazi at a German sausage festival!". Nothing useful what-so-ever.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:43 pm
rolleyes Yeah. The bacon your teacher ate for breakfast that morning had a beating heart, until it was brutally taken. Bet she didn't think twice about it. And unlike fetuses, they actually have feelings.
It's hilarious when pro-life people are meat eaters, or pro death penalty, but still pretend life is somehow "sacred". And c'mon. A cockroach has a heartbeat. But it doesn't have feelings.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:46 pm
Lol, i nearly got myself suspended during that discussion in my highschool. My school was very big on the "...but abstinence is the only really effective birthcontrol" method of teaching. Where they'd give us good information about condoms and the growth of a fetus with out mentioning the a word at all and i almost kept my mouth shut...
until the last class of the sex ed unit where our teacher spend the entire class period talking about teen pregnancy and abortion and how adoption is way better and healthier and abortion is selfish... I flipped. I called her out and said that a public school class room was no place to voice her biggoted pro-life ideals and that she shouldnt even be teaching... I said some other rather inflamatory things to (which is why i got in trouble, it was like 6 years ago) I then went into why abortion needed to be legal and talked loudly over the christian girls in the class that started talking about jesus....
the teacher stopped listening to me, picked up the phone, talked into it, while i was still going, then when i stopped she told me to go see the vice principal, he was expecting me.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:00 pm
caffinated_tulip Lol, i nearly got myself suspended during that discussion in my highschool. My school was very big on the "...but abstinence is the only really effective birthcontrol" method of teaching. Where they'd give us good information about condoms and the growth of a fetus with out mentioning the a word at all and i almost kept my mouth shut... until the last class of the sex ed unit where our teacher spend the entire class period talking about teen pregnancy and abortion and how adoption is way better and healthier and abortion is selfish... I flipped. I called her out and said that a public school class room was no place to voice her biggoted pro-life ideals and that she shouldnt even be teaching... I said some other rather inflamatory things to (which is why i got in trouble, it was like 6 years ago) I then went into why abortion needed to be legal and talked loudly over the christian girls in the class that started talking about jesus.... the teacher stopped listening to me, picked up the phone, talked into it, while i was still going, then when i stopped she told me to go see the vice principal, he was expecting me. What the hell? You should have punched her in the throat.
On what grounds could they have suspended you? Judging people on their choices has no place in the classroom, especially when you have no idea who's in the class, who's family has been through what, and who's been through those situations. Saying a woman is wrong, or condemning abortion in a public classroom is the same as condemning homosexuality, or a religion. She had no right to do that, so her a** should have been suspended.
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:42 am
Thank christ my sex education took place in a liberal school system (Northern California). In 6th grade my teacher objectively touched on all the major points: contraceptive options, homosexuality, masturbation, abortion, you name it. Then in high school we had a second health class that was even more intense. Nayva ]My "health" teacher invited a teenage mother in to talk to us and she made it seem like it was a game. My Freshman health teacher brought in brought in 5 teen moms (from our school system-one was in my grade) to tell their stories and answer questions. One girl brought up the fact that she was pro-choice and the rest didn't mention abortion. They discussed contraception, juggling school activities with a newborn, and sex myths such as not being able to get pregnant during your period. It was kind of a ploy to scare us from having sex, but it was still pretty cool. Hopefully my positive experience will be a dim beacon of hope among all the negative ones...
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:35 am
MipsyKitten caffinated_tulip Lol, i nearly got myself suspended during that discussion in my highschool. My school was very big on the "...but abstinence is the only really effective birthcontrol" method of teaching. Where they'd give us good information about condoms and the growth of a fetus with out mentioning the a word at all and i almost kept my mouth shut... until the last class of the sex ed unit where our teacher spend the entire class period talking about teen pregnancy and abortion and how adoption is way better and healthier and abortion is selfish... I flipped. I called her out and said that a public school class room was no place to voice her biggoted pro-life ideals and that she shouldnt even be teaching... I said some other rather inflamatory things to (which is why i got in trouble, it was like 6 years ago) I then went into why abortion needed to be legal and talked loudly over the christian girls in the class that started talking about jesus.... the teacher stopped listening to me, picked up the phone, talked into it, while i was still going, then when i stopped she told me to go see the vice principal, he was expecting me. What the hell? You should have punched her in the throat.
On what grounds could they have suspended you? Judging people on their choices has no place in the classroom, especially when you have no idea who's in the class, who's family has been through what, and who's been through those situations. Saying a woman is wrong, or condemning abortion in a public classroom is the same as condemning homosexuality, or a religion. She had no right to do that, so her a** should have been suspended. Like she said, she ended up saying some other choice things, so I would assume it was probably out of line. I did the same kind of thing, but not about abortion, I argued and yelled at our principal about the dress code & got 3 days in school, but he got me on the yelling & being disrespectful, not my actual opinion. My sex ed was ok. It was a little on the "abstinence" side, but they didn't ignore sex either. They talked about condoms ("But don't do it.") they talked about pills ("But don't do it."), and even discussed spermicides & sponges ("But please, don't do it."). We also had those "Baby think it over." When I got pregnant, that awful thing was all I could think of and BAM, my decision was made, lol. They discussed adoption & very very briefly touched on abortion, but considering how conservative my school system was, I think they did better than what you other girls are mentioning. They didn't exactly portray it positively, but they didn't say "omg you'll go to hell if you do that" either. They just said it was an extreme measure. Which is pretty much true. It wasn't until my high school senior speech class that I really got into it w/ another student. There was a girl in my class that was adopted and was born to a teenage mother. And all she kept saying was "What if I had been aborted?? My mom chose not to, and now I have a great life!" And I wish I had known as much about the foster system/adoption proceedings as I do now. I would have laid the smack down. I was against having one myself at the time, but I argued that if we made it illegal, women were still going to do it and they would be unsafe. That it was better to protect the life of the mother than risk losing both. My teacher for that class was very openly conservative, but she was SO respectful, she loved that we all were passionate about our beliefs. She was pretty rad.
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:11 pm
Individual 171192 Nayva My "health" teacher invited a teenage mother in to talk to us and she made it seem like it was a game. My Freshman health teacher brought in brought in 5 teen moms (from our school system-one was in my grade) to tell their stories and answer questions. One girl brought up the fact that she was pro-choice and the rest didn't mention abortion. They discussed contraception, juggling school activities with a newborn, and sex myths such as not being able to get pregnant during your period. It was kind of a ploy to scare us from having sex, but it was still pretty cool. T he girl we had in talked about how her mom was helping her so she could take classes, how she got pregnant so her boyfriend would stay with her--we were supposed to write a reflection, with one question included, and my question was "doesn't that make it an abusive relationship?" since we'd just covered that and the teacher said if one partner did something to force the other to stay in the relationship, it was abusive. She never answered my question, of course. At one point, we had that same girl in again, plus another one. (They both have two kids, by the way, and each came in with the younger one of the two while their mothers babysat the older ones.) The new girl's youngest had... Tay Sachs or something? Where the baby slowly loses brain function. By that point, the baby was having trouble sucking and would soon need to be fed intravenously. I think she mentioned choosing to give birth to this kid just to give him a few months of good life--but think how expensive that would be! And how miserable... Sheesh. Anyway, the point of this semi-rant was to say that our teenage moms weren't half as informative as yours were and seemed to be almost promoting having children at a young age.
And now that I think back on it, my teacher never once brought up abortion (or adoption--there were only the teenage moms and that was it). Kind of surprised I didn't notice.
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:51 pm
Nayva Individual 171192 Nayva My "health" teacher invited a teenage mother in to talk to us and she made it seem like it was a game. My Freshman health teacher brought in brought in 5 teen moms (from our school system-one was in my grade) to tell their stories and answer questions. One girl brought up the fact that she was pro-choice and the rest didn't mention abortion. They discussed contraception, juggling school activities with a newborn, and sex myths such as not being able to get pregnant during your period. It was kind of a ploy to scare us from having sex, but it was still pretty cool. T he girl we had in talked about how her mom was helping her so she could take classes, how she got pregnant so her boyfriend would stay with her--we were supposed to write a reflection, with one question included, and my question was "doesn't that make it an abusive relationship?" since we'd just covered that and the teacher said if one partner did something to force the other to stay in the relationship, it was abusive. She never answered my question, of course. At one point, we had that same girl in again, plus another one. (They both have two kids, by the way, and each came in with the younger one of the two while their mothers babysat the older ones.) The new girl's youngest had... Tay Sachs or something? Where the baby slowly loses brain function. By that point, the baby was having trouble sucking and would soon need to be fed intravenously. I think she mentioned choosing to give birth to this kid just to give him a few months of good life--but think how expensive that would be! And how miserable... Sheesh. Anyway, the point of this semi-rant was to say that our teenage moms weren't half as informative as yours were and seemed to be almost promoting having children at a young age.
And now that I think back on it, my teacher never once brought up abortion (or adoption--there were only the teenage moms and that was it). Kind of surprised I didn't notice.Maybe this is because my mom was a teenager when she had me, so I have a different experience witht he whole teenage parenthood thing, but I wish that they brought in children of teenage mothers to talk how it effected their life.
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:49 pm
20 Shades of Crazy Maybe this is because my mom was a teenager when she had me, so I have a different experience witht he whole teenage parenthood thing, but I wish that they brought in children of teenage mothers to talk how it effected their life. O ooh, I've never thought of that before, but that's a pretty good idea!
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