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LadyInWhite

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:02 pm


The story is this. A transgender man (formerly woman) is pregnant. Doctors refuse to treat him. He is being portrayed as a freak. Oprah did a show on him. I have not seen it but here is the original article by the Advocate:

Quote:
Labor of Love
Thomas Beatie gives The Advocate a first-person account of how it feels to be pregnant and carrying a child for his wife and himself.


Thomas Beatie
From The Advocate March 26, 2008

To our neighbors, my wife, Nancy, and I don’t appear in the least unusual. To those in the quiet Oregon community where we live, we are viewed just as we are -- a happy couple deeply in love. Our desire to work hard, buy our first home, and start a family was nothing out of the ordinary. That is, until we decided that I would carry our child.

I am transgender, legally male, and legally married to Nancy. Unlike those in same-sex marriages, domestic partnerships, or civil unions, Nancy and I are afforded the more than 1,100 federal rights of marriage. Sterilization is not a requirement for sex reassignment, so I decided to have chest reconstruction and testosterone therapy but kept my reproductive rights. Wanting to have a biological child is neither a male nor female desire, but a human desire.

Ten years ago, when Nancy and I became a couple, the idea of us having a child was more dream than plan. I always wanted to have children. However, due to severe endometriosis 20 years ago, Nancy had to undergo a hysterectomy and is unable to carry a child. But after the success of our custom screen-printing business and a move from Hawaii to the Pacific Northwest two years ago, the timing finally seemed right. I stopped taking my bimonthly testosterone injections. It had been roughly eight years since I had my last menstrual cycle, so this wasn’t a decision that I took lightly. My body regulated itself after about four months, and I didn’t have to take any exogenous estrogen, progesterone, or fertility drugs to aid my pregnancy.

Our situation sparks legal, political, and social unknowns. We have only begun experiencing opposition from people who are upset by our situation. Doctors have discriminated against us, turning us away due to their religious beliefs. Health care professionals have refused to call me by a male pronoun or recognize Nancy as my wife. Receptionists have laughed at us. Friends and family have been unsupportive; most of Nancy’s family doesn’t even know I’m transgender.

This whole process, from trying to get pregnant to being pregnant, has been a challenge for us. The first doctor we approached was a reproductive endocrinologist. He was shocked by our situation and told me to shave my facial hair. After a $300 consultation, he reluctantly performed my initial checkups. He then required us to see the clinic’s psychologist to see if we were fit to bring a child into this world and consulted with the ethics board of his hospital. A few months and a couple thousand dollars later, he told us that he would no longer treat us, saying he and his staff felt uncomfortable working with “someone like me.”

In total, nine different doctors have been involved. This is why it took over one year to get access to a cryogenic sperm bank to purchase anonymous donor vials, and why Nancy and I eventually resorted to home insemination.

When I finally got pregnant for the first time, I ended up having an ectopic pregnancy with triplets. It was a life-threatening event that required surgical intervention, resulting in the loss of all embryos and my right fallopian tube. When my brother found out about my loss, he said, “It’s a good thing that happened. Who knows what kind of monster it would have been.”

On successfully getting pregnant a second time, we are proud to announce that this pregnancy is free of complications and our baby girl has a clean bill of health. We are happily awaiting her birth, with an estimated due date of July 3, 2008.

How does it feel to be a pregnant man? Incredible. Despite the fact that my belly is growing with a new life inside me, I am stable and confident being the man that I am. In a technical sense I see myself as my own surrogate, though my gender identity as male is constant. To Nancy, I am her husband carrying our child -- I am so lucky to have such a loving, supportive wife. I will be my daughter’s father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family.

Outside the local medical community, people don’t know I’m five months’ pregnant. But our situation ultimately will ask everyone to embrace the gamut of human possibility and to define for themselves what is normal.


I'll post my comments after I hear what you guys think but I just want to say I support this.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:07 pm


This reminds me a little bit of the man, not transgender, who decided to gestate a child. It was an experiment, I want to say it was up in Cleveland. I can't remember how it was done, but he carried a child full term. Totally normal biological male.

I think that its awesome if ANYONE chooses to carry a child, regardless of gender. Hell I wish men could carry children too, but w/e lol.

Editted to add: here, this guy!
http://www.malepregnancy.com/mingwei/


Nevermind, just read that it was a web hoax. >.<

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PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:12 pm


Does anyone else just want to slap his brother right now? He's the monster!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:24 pm


PhaedraMcSpiffy
Does anyone else just want to slap his brother right now? He's the monster!
*poke poke* Go look at asshat Staneks post on this... ninja

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:48 am


No wonder he's having problems... He's in EASTERN Oregon, which is about as conservative as Eugene, Oregon is liberal. There's just more people in the liberal parts of the state. I hope he can find acceptance in his town.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:12 am


I've got to say all those people are asshats. Once again, I just don't see what the big deal is. Sure, it's out of the ordinary, but that doesn't mean it's bad. Then again, if you're one of those damn people, anything different from the everyday routine is treated like a threat to all of mankind. He must be a pretty strong individual to put up with all that harassment. What the hell gives those people the right to demonize someone like that? ******** assholes.

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Lee Retalis

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:53 pm


I've been seeing this everywhere recently and I fail to see why it's such a huge deal. He's biologically female and fertile, ergo it's possible for him to have children.

I don't understand why so many people are offended and disgusted. Why is it so controversial? Big freaking deal. A trans man wants to have a child cause his wife can't. It's so simple. It frustrates me that some people are getting their backs up so badly about this.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:17 pm


I'm not extrememly fond of their drive to have a biological child with the adoption system in the state it is, but I do respect them for having the guts to go through with this, considering their circumstances.
And of course people are going to be idiots about this. They're disgusted by the idea that a transgendered person is allowed to have a somewhat normal life complete with relationships as it is. Heaven forbid they're able to have children, free from the restrictions of adoption! *mockohnoes*

@LadyinWhite's other post: Even with my acceptance of their ignorant hatred of all things different from them, that still bothers me. Praise to hate-blogs! >.<

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[Ernie]

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:59 pm


omg finally people get it! Every time this comes up IRL it's a Transphobic Festival of Ignorance, complete with a total inability to use proper pronouns and distinguish between gender and sex. "But he has girl parts so he's a girl!" NO. Trans 101 plzkthxbai.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:11 pm


Some of you know I'm not all "yay let's make more babies in this world", but people are rather backwards in the way that they've been treating this man.

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Anhedonic Hedonist

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:33 pm


I have mixed feelings on him.

I'm a Female to Male transsexual. I am thrilled he has the balls to have a child, despite what people think of him. I would rather die than get pregnant, but good for him. He's far from the first, but still a huge minority.... lol, oxymoron!

However. I wish people didn't know about him. People get transphobic views from his story. My mom (who I'm out to) told me, "He can't have it both ways. Men don't have babies." Mind you, my mother is a liberal woman.

The general public is stupid enough to take the gender binary system seriously, so when gender "outcasts" are pulled into the spotlight, it just makes them hate all of the other outcasts more.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:20 pm


Wow. That's amazing! How people have been treating them, however, is deplorable. How medical "professionals" have treated this man and his wife is far beyond unethical; it's immoral.

For transgendered people, I think this is a mixed blessing (so to speak). As Anhedonic Hedonist said, such a story can cause/heighten transphobic sentiments. On the other hand, reading about how Mr. and Mrs. Beatie have been treated could stir sympathy, support (like with me) and encourage people to learn more about the transgendered community. In fact, since his story broke trans-related searches have skyrocketed. Granted, that could be a good thing or a really bad thing.

I support them whole-heartedly. They have as much of a right to build a family as anyone else. I wish people would treat them like human beings, though.

Also, like [Ernie] said, people in my psych class referred to him with female pronouns... even after I told them that he is a man/he/him. My professor was just trying to wrap her head around a transman whose reproductive organs are intact and functional.

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caffinated_tulip

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:27 pm


i kind of have mixed feelings too...

On the one hand, those doctors are asshats and if this man and his wife want to have a baby, then they should have a baby, and if he is biologically female and can safely carry said baby, while his wife is unable, then more power to them...

However, and maybe it's because i'm a straight biologically and gendered female, but i kind of agree with Anhedonic's mom, Men don't have babies. maybe it's a gender steryotype that is going to change now that the transgendered world is growing in visibility, but having babies is kind of a woman's territory. Like having periods. we dont all have to do it inorder to be women, and there's a hell of a lot more to being a woman than bleeding and breeding but thats something that's ours and ours alone since the dawn of time, and if some one truely is a man, in all the ways that matter (plumbing aside) then I dont think that he should get pregnant...

of course, if i were a doctor, i would never ever decline to treat some one in that situation, because, breeding over all is a choice, and while i might not agree with his choice, i have to respect it.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:30 pm


caffinated_tulip
Men don't have babies... but having babies is kind of a woman's territory. Like having periods. we dont all have to do it inorder to be women, and there's a hell of a lot more to being a woman than bleeding and breeding but thats something that's ours and ours alone since the dawn of time, and if some one truely is a man, in all the ways that matter (plumbing aside) then I dont think that he should get pregnant... quote]
Says who? It's just tradition. Traditionally men don't get pregnant, and people think it's weird, cause they want to cling to their silly little prejudices.

"Male" and "female" don't really exist, except for in chromosomes. It's too abstract to pin down, and is deeply personal, but little else. "Men" and "women" don't exist. There's just "masculine" "feminine" and everything in between.

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caffinated_tulip

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:52 pm


Anhedonic Hedonist

Says who? It's just tradition. Traditionally men don't get pregnant, and people think it's weird, cause they want to cling to their silly little prejudices.

"Male" and "female" don't really exist, except for in chromosomes. It's too abstract to pin down, and is deeply personal, but little else. "Men" and "women" don't exist. There's just "masculine" "feminine" and everything in between.


You're right, it's really my own prejudice talking here. I really just dont understand the blurry areas between genders at all. I dont think that transgendered is necessarily weird, and definently not wrong, i think what confuses me is when people are in an inbetween state, some one who is biologically female but lives life as a man is a man so far as i'm concerned, but it gets blurry when he wants to have a baby... i dont know, i like to think that i'm alot more enlightened than a hell of a lot of people out there, but i really dont know much about and certainly dont understand much of anything about transgendered people.
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